Is EHU metering a good investment?
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There wouldn’t be enough benefit for us, we are in that minority. But the Club needs to think around future Members, it’s life blood.
That will be led by younger people than the vast majority of existing Members, and that will depend on a lot of factors around affordability of outfit purchase/ownership, affordability of pitch fees, and what it’s competitors are doing. Lots of our family tour, in a variety of outfits, but we remain the only Club Members. We never had a brand new outfit, towed by a nearly new car whilst we were working, and I doubt most working folks will be much different a couple of generations on, not unless they grew up touring or are sharing an outfit with parents.
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I think it could be a fairer system in the long run, there is definitely a bigger range of units on sites than previously eg we could all be alongside a leviathan coach sized motorhome or a tiny pod van. There are now many large vans with a lot of equipment either fitted or taken along. I'm guessing that most vans on site now use more energy than previously and the costs could be biased towards higher energy users. However we don't know, it's just a law of averages at present.
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I am sure there will be some who will find metering an inconvenience, they are the ones who probably are big users and are subsidised by the more frugal users.
Are those that would benefit most in the minority, who knows? I can only surmise that with the increase in motorhome membership and with it, short stays and off site trips, it is unlikely to be a minority.
The price of energy is a red herring, regardless of price, it is still a fairer system and offers the Club better control over pitch prices.
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The idea of the growth in motor caravans being a different kind of touring does not seem to hold water as it seems the majority of motor caravans are being used as a caravan replacement and staying on sites,especially if they are within a good public transport or easy access to local village or towns
Caravans are always in the majority on sites where alternative transport is not available
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Only on Club Sites JV. Away from Club Sites, on CLs, Britstops, Forestry Sites, private sites etc…. Campervans and MHs are out and about each day, hopping from Site to Site. Without hook ups in the Summer…….😁
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You are dead right. A local builder here is building 25 new houses, and rather than let everyone use as much electricity as they wish and all pay the same , he has decided to have a meter fitted each of the houses.
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I hope he’s putting solar panels on the roof as well😁👍
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Your analogies are always interesting, so is the builder going on to rent those houses out and be the landlord or sell them on?
But it's funny how things are done, here in Keswick a new (locally controversial) Premier Inn has been built from scratch but the biulder hasn't put in meters in each room and apparently each room will pay the same.
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Not at all. There are people who have posted saying that even though they'll use less than the inclusive price they will prefer to pay the extra rather than have the hassle of metering.
You've mentioned this before, about frugal users subsiding others but is it true? Perhaps there are people who use much less than you, are you the judge of what is fair, what is frugal?
I think, actually have good grounds for thinking that with the large numbers involved the spread around the 'average' will be quite small, and even if there was an large user (and remember there is a max of 16A) it won't affect the average significantly, think about it with say a thousand users that large value is divided by one thousand for the mean. Look at the central limit theorem for more details if you want.
But again if the club's system that you think is unfair then why continue to use it? You've just keeping it going. If everyone who thought like you used sites with meters the club would follow suit?
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Thanks Kj
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I would like to have meters, not because I use less, but because I would like to use more, and would want to pay for it.
We stayed on a CL over the plattyjubes weekend who had just introduced meters. They were giving 10kWh per day included with the pitch fee, and then charging at their current rate for excess. We had stated before we went that we would potentially charge the car, but in the end didn't have a need to.
As it was, we were well under the 10kWh per day used (which is quite a lot for 2 in a 2016 Vigo with Alde heating).
Having a meter would allow the option to charge the car knowing how much I would spend and how competitive that rate might be. The current option of a flat fee means that I have to have the battery at a level "just so" to both have time to charge and ensure the cost is reasonable (sensible). It was also remove any concern over the illegality of charging (money) over the MRP cap (a topic in another thread).
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I'm neither 'worrying' nor making the decisions. I'm merely taking part in a discussion on a members forum, as I told you earlier, if you recall.
you seem to be far more 'worried' than anyone else, taking it upon yourself to defend every post made.
As PD points out, the club has already made the money to invest in sites. Metering might be one of those investments and may contribute to folk continuing to use sites...that's a real benefit.
If the club continues to price its pitches 'inclusive of electricity' those headline prices will accelerate faster than if it were disconnected, leaving customers to 'worry' about whether those prices remain within their reach.
personally, I think a better idea is to just have a simple yes or no to taking a hookup as it costs nothing and satisfies two of the three member 'groups' mentioned upthread, and hopefully leaving you 'unworried' about the money your club might consider spending. Win, win?
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Well I'm not worried as I've booked up for a year ahead but sorry you really do appear to be as it's a post every day saying what the club should be doing regarding meters and prices and using phrases that show you are (see below) but if as you say you're not going to be using sites it won't affect you? I would leave it to those who do but discuss away.
Sorry what exactly am I defending? Or it is the case that you discuss but when I discuss back you call it defending? Do I say that about your post?
At least PD's post about the club's finances will reassure you that the club isn't as you've written over the few days, either paired to bone, stretched, or having the last nail put in it's coffin.
I've agreed with you about the EHU if you recall.
Prices will go up but if they appear not to give value go elsewhere. You often post about better cheaper sites and if you name them people who worry that club sites are beyond their reach thy will able to use them?
Going back to the OP, there are benefits as you posted but are the worth paying £3m plus for?
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I'll certainly carry on posting, that's not your gift to give😉
I actually said I thought the relationship with its members was being stretched and i still think that despite your repeated reassurances to the contrary
believe it or not I can make my own mind up over value of campsites without your valued assistance and I'll act on my own decisions as I've always done.
...but thanks for 'worrying' about me😉
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Sorry I don't agree that a Yes or No is simple. I don't have the trust that you have in people being honest, especially if the differential between the cost of Non EHU pitch and a EHU pitch is significant and if the EHU charges are high the temptation for a sneaky hook up could prove to great. The club would then be exposed to electricity charges it could not reclaim.
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…..which, if your suspicion proved correct, could result in increased pitch fees for all in order to recoup any shortfall.
Sadly, I’ve witnessed a camper pilfering electricity by using two hook ups and while the yes/no is a great simple solution, it’s naïve to expect it to be problem free.
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However, the question is whether lekky should be metered which is something I’m sure will come in due course in the interests of fairness and which will enable CAMC, or any site operator, to establish a more stable pricing regime.
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I'm not but thanks.
Well you did say those things but having not used club sites apart from two I find it difficult to know how you can apply it to all sites?
I haven't tried to tell you anything about how you make your decisions, you were talking about others no no idea what you're on about.
Anything on my post regarding this thread though?
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So is spending £3m plus and really more, an investment? No answer to that yet?
Yes there are benefits but are those worth that amount of money. I'm glad to hear the club according to PD is so rich but what is the best way to use that. I would say new sites, improvement on current ones which could be argued bring in money.
A way to switch off the EHU is possible with control at the wardens office but this will need new equipment that would allow it, more expense? But again would the club wish to lose any legal income in it's inclusive price?
When bollards need replacement then why not do it then even if it doesn't all become live till a much later date, after all where would people go if they had a choice?
I'm not against meters as it would not affect me and it would stop these discussions every now and again especially from those that have no interest in using club sites anyway.
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Good for you. As a non-member, I'm not expressing a preference or view about what should or shouldn’t happen, only my opinion of what the future may hold.👍🏻
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This is a useful discussion with a variety of views - as it should be in a discussion forum. Why do a couple of you have to squabble? This forum allows members and non members, allows site users and not site users to participate in the forum. So why should whether someone uses sites or not be a problem?
We have only used one club site this year for one night (rest have largely been CLs). Maybe, if electricity was metered I would be more inclined to use club sites, maybe not. As a member I think I am entitled to contribute and I find the sniping irritating in the extreme (even though I try and ignore it).
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