Is EHU metering a good investment?
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I’m interested to know whether it is the opinion of Tesco managers and directors that they would like to close the self checkouts, or the view of the temporary employees?
Often the official view of these things differs greatly between decision makers who see the bigger picture and the folk at the coal face with their, inevitably, more limited outlook as can also be seen in CAMC in the varying views of directors and site staff.
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Ah right, wasn't that clear but never mind.
Well even that would fail. A small 20 pitch site would cost £40,000 based on the figures given in the OP and I would think that would come from a loan rather than profits (unless it's a very profitable site) and even I could raise that quite easily.
However that doesn't equate proportionally to the club being able to raise £5 m +. When my old school became a multi academy trust with seven other large schools our borrowing and buying ability and didn't go up seven times. One would think it would like you do but it was explained by our finance team this wasn't the case.
The club would still need to use it's reserves or borrow, either of which will mean getting the money back somehow.
Your non EHU option is a far better way forward which I agree with though stil needs further work. But you don't intend using club sites so why worry?
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Maybe or maybe not but we're told by Ro that the system had to be replaced as it was nearing its end of life?
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"Your non EHU option is a far better way forward which I agree with though stil needs further work. But you don't intend using club sites so why worry?"
...because this is a discussion forum of which I'm a member. You don't use continental ferries or tour with Europe with your caravan but it doesn't stop you having a view on these topics.
most of us only use a part of the CAMC portfolio but might have a view on a much wider subject range.
as it happens with a lot of things CAMC, I (and others who use/d sites here and abroad) have direct experience of places where other options are deployed and are happy to discuss these solutions....the various processes for managing hook ups is just one.
of course, as soon as the word 'continental' is mentioned, all bets are off apparently, despite many services and processes working far smoother and with less hassle.
still, we can all carry on doing things the same old way, pushing the prices up in the same old way as the price of power increases, but these will be added to all the other cost pressures being experienced today making for fast accelerating prices.
as mentioned above, if other providers start disconnecting (literally) their power element from the overall price, then Club inclusive prices will appear to be out of kilter.
as it happens, I've used two club sites this year....one served a specific 'location' requirement....and it was after the stay at the other one we decided 'no more', so my experience of CAMC is still current, I'd say.🙂
not 'worried' about the subject specifically just 'interested' as a forum member but thanks for your concern.
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Maybe the Club could sell its patch of redundant land in Bristol? That will fund a few metered bollards for sure…………
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"we will be looking at additional ways to encourage the membership to be mindful of a responsible use of energy when on site."
The most obvious one, given a degree of reluctance to definitely embrace metering, is to reduce the supply to 10amps. That would immediately encourage a more 'responsible use' of electricity.
As for the cost of metering, using the previously posted "fag packet" calculations of about £5M or so, we have, allegedly, just blown £5.7M on the new booking system and that doesn't even work properly.
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Actually while I may have views about such things done abroad I have never, or hardly ever posted about them and certainly not in the great detail that you often do in the UK sections.
I have posted that it's meaningless to do so and the CM has posted that if anyone wants to do that then start a new thread.
Two sites this year? Ok I thought you said none but noted. That doesn't make you the expert though in all things club compared to others who use them far more (not just me btw). No doubt your IT skills in street were excellent but running a Club Site especially to do with getting £5m?
In any case as it's no more from now on so again why so bothered?
Incidentally the only person to use continental recently was you
But back on topic the non EHU option should be looked rather than finding £5 to 10 million?
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That it seems is similar to what the staff of the company that the engineer who came to rectify the fault on OHs stairlift yesterday apologised for the lack of information he had been given
The Dutch company owners have been trying to make a replacement system to be user friendly for two years after someone new at senior director level decides we need a more up to date system even after when put to the staff no real explanation was forthcoming
It seems it is endemic with companies today
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Well……someone invested in a rather swanky looking hotel right next to Rowntree Park, and as far as I know, it’s doing ok.😁
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Would it really? You appear to think CY that everyone is using 16A all the time, I'm not sure where you get this from, is that from personal experience?
10 amps would give 2400W? Once after warm up my heating is toasty enough at the 0.9 Kw setting. We would use electric cooking for some of the time but nowhere near the extra and high power items (hairdryers) for very short periods of the time. Where's the savings you talk about?
The booking system doesn't work at all?
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I would think as with the cc and it seems other companies as well the senior management seem to turn a deaf ear to staff from the coal face who have voiced their opinions when a new untested properly system is rolled out with many problems that it seems were voiced by staff who have had to deal with the consequences
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Some of us have been Members long enough to recall when EHU bollards were installed into Club Sites. They weren’t done all at the same time, but over an extended period of years. Certainly Marazion (a leased site) was done this way, because I can recall having the option of “with or without” for at least a couple of seasons on there. The paddock area at the back of reception remained bollard free for a while. Reverse situation to outfits now, caravans with plug in capabilities were just getting popular, so if you had a newish outfit, you went for a bollard. Now, we have outfits capable of doing without EHU, or using minimal, so the trend has gone full circle. Hence why the Club is thinking about changes.
I’d also like to say that I would resent not being trusted enough to be honest about hooking up if given the option. I pointed out somewhere else how easy it would be to have a simple system for monitoring. We spent 15 years with this option on a Cornish Site, friends with the owners, and as far as I can recall, they didn’t think it much of an issue. But perhaps folks twenty odd years on have different morals🤷♀️
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To be fair to CY he was talking about :- “That would immediately encourage a more 'responsible use' of electricity” rather than specifically savings.
It would certainly make folk think. 10 amps would be fine for us now, with how we operate in our MH. However, when we had our Cadiz with microwave, up to 3kw Alde and all the other electrical gadgets we used to carry, even with 16 amps on some occasions planning was required.0 -
Fair enough but it would be saving something even if not money?
Just interested as probably our next caravan will have it is 3Kw needed with that type of heating?
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I don’t share your heavy cynicism JV. The vast majority are good folks, minding their own business, happily staying legal and crime free.
What has changed is that there are now few systems in place, less staff and resources in place to actually catch the few who do push the boundaries. You can have as many rules, regulations, laws etc…. In place, but if there’s no one doing any monitoring, checking, patrolling, then it all falls apart. Organisations of all kinds are relying heavily upon technology too much, and even cutting costs in terms of utilising this as it should be.
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We kept ours in storage and in cold weather it was very useful to initially heat up the van. We then reduced it to 2 / 1 KW depending on how cold it was. 2 was needed to keep the bathroom warm in cold weather. Now with the MH, the cab heating takes the chill off on the journey and the 1.8 KW blown air is fine. Not felt the need to boost it with gas yet.
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Systems become redundant for many reasons....hardware advances which make more and more processes available but the software can't cope...witness the relentless march of added processes to phones (the vast majority of which millions will never understand let alone use) and then the software on old units can't be updated.
the reverse is also true...with a new operating system release that allows a 'new experience'😉 but your old phone (computer, tablet etc) can't meet the minimum hardware requirements...enforced obsolescence of our kit...nice little earner.
then there's the skill and technical ability to support the new 'experience' and this is where non IT megacompanies struggle as IT staff gets older and auditors see a support cliff edge ahead...so what do they do?
they go for a popular package (plenty of support available from the manufacturer, no need for in house IT staff, or another known system that (they think) can be tailored to do the new brief..and this is where the club is with its attempt at making a system designed for European bookings the same for the UK.
the new system has processes that don't transfer exactly into the uk booking market. The imported google search function isn't designed to allow customers a small but relevant view of just the UK sites...
the IT team are surely spending day and night trying to build IT bridges into and out of the new system to make it look like it's doing what we the customers want.
in fact, behind the scenes, the system still works as it was implemented but there is an array of buffers between us and it.....each one needs time, processing power and space to do what this particular fix needs to do...converting data, bypassing requirements, including others...
and what do we get...a slower system as much of the time is spent converting something that's wrong (from the customers perspective) to something that's right (for system use)...
all this stuff should have been done once at implementation time, not leave the 'wrong' in place and then have to convert stuff every single time a user gets on the system.
I'm sure it will be deemed fit for purpose at some point when all the fixes and bridges have been built, tested, added and implemented...but it was never meant to be this way for sure.
if it was....someone needs sorting...total shambles.
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Thanks Steve.
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Bet you weren't expecting that
But yes we've both posted it's a yes and no situation, works for some not others, and I do wonder what's happening with people in the background who either bought, implemented... whatever?
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Right, thanks. That's a popular view from those who only see one side of the coin. One wonders how on earth big business has succeeded decade after decade with such seemingly inept senior decision makers. 🙂
There appear to be similarities between Tesco, CAMC, and just about any other business.
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Agreed....it is a sledgehammer....most either want EHU or they don't.
in winter (even as someone who does plenty of camping without a hook up) I'd suggest almost all would go for hook up in winter.
however, turn the tables and move into better weather and the need to hookup just isn't there..demand is far lower, no heating required, fewer lights required, TVs run from 12v, hot water from cheap gas...
take a hook up, don't take a hook up....hardly requires an expensive site full of meters and the (oft quoted) huge expense.
keep it simple....and cheap.😉
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That’s what we do YT. Summer mainly without, Winter we will hook up. But no longer at the prices Club Sites impose. Even in Winter we are off site doing something interesting, not using a hook up.👍
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some one has posted about British Gas and I think the National Trust having problems aso
So as I posted it seems endemic these days
I have also posted about the Dutch stairlift company as relayed to me yesterday by the engineer and that was as soon as he arived without advising of a time, as I was told he would by a lady at their call centre
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