Rewilding
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Just a short hop across the North Sea is Denmark where a reintroduction area smaller, not that dissimilar to the Norfolk/Lincolnshire Wash area, has seen a tremendously successful reintroduction of WTE. What is stopping similar, here?? We all know that mind, don’t we? Now they are to being seen all around the Danish coast.
https://wildaboutdenmark.com/record-number-of-eagles-are-new-breeding-in-denmark/0 -
Surely picking which species to be re-introduced as "re-wilding" is also mucking about with nature and playing at being God? I do not fancy meeting on a dark night a bear or a wolf, although both roamed this area in the past.
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Why not just stick to saving what are now endangered, ie ground nesting bitds. Grouse, curlews, lapwings and those on the red list. Not reintroducing bears and wolves. etc.But that doesnt sit with the ethos of human control on the rampant predators that have been allowed to explode in numbers by the eco warriors Foxes in partcular. The highest population of "red list birds" are on keepered Grouse moors but that is anathema to the armchair environmentalists.
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Ground nesting birds were not endangered prior to the creation of shooting moors, hunting estates and human disturbance. Habitats were in balance before and need our help now as a result of the creation of those almost monocultures. As for the reintroduction of wolves and other apex predators, that argument is an old one and merely a distraction. Lots of ground work over decades to be done lower down the food chain me thinks.
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If ground nesting birds are threatened ie Grouse(on the red list) then why do shooters celebrate the ‘glorious’ 12th(August) until 10th(December) by blasting them out of the sky?🤷🏻♂️🤔
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Where I fish at 1400 ft in the hills was a Grouse heather moor until the 1970's with a wide wildlife diversity. The government in their wisdom went ahead and covered the whole area in Sitka Spruce creating a dessert devoid of anything but a haven for foxes in the day. They then come out at night devouring everything. Now you dont see any grouse, curlews or other once common birds there. The next disaster is felling of these trees which is going to occur over the next few years. The heavy machiery will churn up the peat releasing the "so called carbon capture" that they have done .And here we are doing the same thing again with the mad drive to plant trees everywhere just to meet some arbitrary target driven by the eco warriors and armchair environmentalists. By the way the RSPB took out but lost a high court action to preserve those heather grouse moors in the 1970's.How trends change
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All of this was done with profit in mind, the current view of rewilding, one which primarily focuses on nature’s needs, is nothing like described. Look at the several projects which have been brought to the attention of readers in this thread and the above becomes plainly obvious. To use these old arguments based on old financially driven so called eco projects is merely a distraction. I’m convinced that when this penny has dropped, the few dissenters who remain will come on board. Hopefully this will happen before it really is too late! We need to act now!
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The only thing that has not changed over the last 50yrs is the shooters need to take life regardless of the environmental damage, pain inflicted, even the need for food & sustenance is not a thing. It’s just for fun or to bolster a low ego & the need to feel empowered by having a life in their hands. It is sick & barbaric it’s also anethema in the 21st century, there is no place for Humans that need to take life to feel good about themselves. Sell the guns & equipment & seek professional help-something is seriously amiss☹️
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Yes👍🏻, they are morally bankrupt.
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May be a tad over the top there Rocky. I gave up game fishing some three years ago as I had some reservations about my actions. Part of me still today really misses this. I do believe that deep in our psyche the hunter gatherer still exists, it’s part of our evolution and part of our genetic make up. Recognising we need no longer kill for pleasure is challenging. Some may never overcome this blood thirsty desire.
(Now waiting for that vegetarian suggestion coming my way)
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Come on g
Come on,the vast plantation just recently changed hands to some "Unknown City Group". Guess what part of the blurb was, "to Offset their Carbon Footprint". How does that square with you eco warriors, not save but offset their footprint. Money wins every time even today.Likewise the tree planters are chasing Grants and have no regard to what trees, just the cheapest. All this ignores the massive damage that will be caused by harvesting the present trees. I rest my case.
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This is the very thing the modern rewilders are fighting against and in many cases winning through. Certainly the message is getting through. What happens next is now vital, the changes made and the focus on nature is paramount if we are to save those red listed flora, fauna and the creation of habitats they deserve and desperately need. Unfortunately grants are usually manipulated either at the writing or implementation stage by the greedy. Now the focus need to be sympathetic to the whole picture and with natural balance in mind. It can be done as many project are now proving.
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Fishing?🤷🏻♂️, it isn’t on my radar at all its the shooting I’m against. I know many Fisher folk who do it for tranquility & mental health they return the fish too. If it’s part of our genetic make up then folk must be very weak I prefer to stalk supermarkets where no animal suffers at my hands. You may have a slight point in that hunters could be less evolved as in being closer to our ancestors, I prefer not to be part of that branch of slow evolution👍🏻
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Kind words Mick but in the real world meaningless. Money wins every time. Wen the rewilders as here in Mid Wales tried to buy the quangos and so called charities but ignored the actual land owners they got no where. In fact they make more damage. The vast tract of sitka went for a reported 29Million with 60 million of timber to be extracted. Do you tink the City Gents will give a hoot for the environment when the machines move in- no just profit.
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Not at all, stay positive, fish, the evidence is out there and is growing at pace. Still lots to do! But promising you will be pleased to hear. Not talking about those dreadful tree plantations you keep talking about, they are not rewilding as we now know it today!
On another front, here’s an interesting project!
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Unfortunately, trees planted to be a crop need to be harvested at a particular age. Unlike natural woodland they become a dangerous problem if left to age. Hopefully there will be replanting - or else left for natural regenaration to occur. x
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Given every chance and positivity from us and things get brighter and better. Here are some right up to date examples of rewilding in action and explanations of the ethos underpinning these and the methodologies employed. Truly fantastic!
https://www.rewildingeurope.com/wp-content/uploads/publications/wildlife-comeback-in-europe-2022/
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Here is an interesting rewilding project!
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Explored around here recently when staying at Troutbeck Head. Fabulous place and a fine example of rewilding. Worth watching this video and better still a visit.
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Very interesting, micky, especially along with the previous video about bringing Beavers into the valley.
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Another rewilding project is coming to us! This venture will take the lead from Knepp Estate and build accordingly.
Once up and running let’s hope that they too will welcome visitors, plenty of CaMC CLs close by.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/nov/12/its-like-winning-the-lottery-lincolnshire-rewilding-plan-welcomed-by-some-others-not-so-happyRecently stayed on the Hungerhill CL north Lincs which is on a working farm. Lovely to see their efforts in mini ‘rewilding’ projects. Well worth a visit with lake, wood and meadow walks set up around the farm and site.
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It sounds to me like Multimillionaires and hedge fund boys with £13 million burning a hole in their pockets + but who will still be looking for government subsidies and funding while the rest of us pay higher taxes.
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Here’s some more info. For those flat Earthers!
https://www.birdguides.com/news/major-rewilding-project-revealed-for-lincolnshire-farm/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter211122&dm_i=73DM,BLRV,ZVCQL,1ENLK,11 -
Not at all, the real problem is that without those pollinators then much of our food production will struggle. We really need to wake up to those problems we now face! It’s those who bury their heads in the sand and ignore the bigger picture who are the stumbling block when addressing the very real difficulties today. A few years ago there were those that said Climate Change didn’t exist, they really are in a very small minority today!
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