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  • Tinwheeler
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    edited August 2022 #482

    Flora rather than fauna this time but look at the beauty of this -

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-62596566

     

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited August 2022 #483

    Beautiful👍🏻, excellent ideas in action.

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited August 2022 #484

    That’s beautiful 👏👏

    We often park up by St Levan’s Church, up beyond the Minack, and do the St Levan’s, Porthgwarra, Nanjizel walk. There’s a meadow up there that looks superb at certain times of the year, full of poppies, cornflowers, scabious, etc….. It’s truly a slice of heaven, backed by that fabulous stretch of coastal scenery. Never seen it grazed or cut either. It’s got to be walked as well, little parking close by. Which as they use Porthgwarra for Poldark filming, is a plus🤣 Other times of the year, on the moorland bit of the walk, it’s purple and yellow with the heather and gorse. Magical👍

  • mickysf
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    edited August 2022 #485

    Walking across the old meadows between Leyburn and Harmby recently they are full of wild flowers including orchids. Good to see so many new wild flower meadows being created too. Even our local council are getting in on the act and reducing their mowing regimes at the same time. Good for the bees and wildlife in general.

  • mickysf
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    edited August 2022 #486

    Here is more interesting news. The push to rewild really is paying nature dividends! 
    Fabulous to read of the success of several larger scale rewilding projects Nationwide.

    https://mailchi.mp/rewildingbritain/august-2022-newsletter-180822?e=b114d15658

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited August 2022 #487

    Our Council has been doing the wildflower verges for quite a few years now. They are fantastically colourful when in full bloom, however they don’t like the hot dry weather at all. Everything simply burns off and looks dreadful. It’s a bit swings and roundabouts each year, but on the whole, most folks love them now.

  • mickysf
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    edited August 2022 #488

    Yes, those near us look a bit past it now, plenty of seed heads though and the goldfinches love flitting through. Still far better than the dull monoculture of the dead previously mown brown grass that border these wildflower beds. As last year the council will, in the coming weeks, mow these areas and spread the seed for next year.

  • mickysf
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    edited August 2022 #489

    Wonderful article here:

    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/article/rewilding-the-uk-one-abandoned-lot-at-a-time

    Fantastic efforts and approaches to rewilding!🌱

  • nelliethehooker
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    edited August 2022 #490

    I tried to read the article but it blocked up my Kindle wanting me to join NG, so just a word of warning.

     

  • mickysf
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    edited August 2022 #491

    That’s a shame, no problem with my browser. It’s a very enlightening and heartening read for all. ❤️

  • mickysf
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    edited September 2022 #492

    Fabulous news, where once eagles soared, then deliberately persecuted and driven from the landscape, they are now being given a helping hand to recolonise.

    https://www.goldeneaglessouthofscotland.co.uk/

    Just planning our 23 tour of Scotland and this area will be on the agenda. Just wonder where the nearest club and CL sites are, anyone know?

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited September 2022 #493

    Thanks Micky boy👍🏻. I’m planning to check out Innerleithen, Tweed valley in the Borders👍🏻

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited September 2022 #494

    The C&CC Moffat site looks ideally situated, Micky. There is a CL nearby but I know nothing about it.

  • mickysf
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    edited September 2022 #495

    Thanks you two, not an area we know, usually stay at Melrose/Jed on the way north but this project looks worth visiting. I notice there is an special event taking place in Moffat between 16th-18th September. https://www.goldeneaglessouthofscotland.co.uk/outreach/moffat-2022.
    Unfortunately we are not able to attend.

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited September 2022 #496

    I can recommend the Moffat site, Micky. It was refurbished a few years ago and has plenty of HS now as well as a good facility block. Like Melrose, the town is on the doorstep. 

    I noticed the event, too, and that’s what made me suggest the site but there are plenty of others across the Borders and D&G.

  • mickysf
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    edited September 2022 #497

    Looks like the data is fairly conclusive with 4 out of 5 of us supporting the rewilding agenda.👍

    https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/5rzfcgfis7/Rewilding_RewildingInBritain_211014_W.pdf

    Now let’s get going!!🌱🌱🌱

  • nelliethehooker
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    edited September 2022 #498

    Another report on the success of rewilding across Europe.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-63037556

     

  • mickysf
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    edited October 2022 #499

    Ewhurst Park rewilding project shooting estate turned into 'edible mosaic'!

    As the message gets home regarding the detrimental and dangerous effects of shooting estates on natural environments we may see more akin to this in their place. Let’s hope so

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-63026613

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited October 2022 #500

    Thanks for that msf, that is great news. I think as the old boys die off & intelligent modern attitudes prevail with the next generations they realise no one needs to take life to feel good about themselves nor do they need the food. Repurposing at its finest👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻

  • eurortraveller
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    edited October 2022 #501

    I have read a lot of nonsense in this thread which has been running for three years now.

    I have a couple of acres of poor quality land on the edge of the moor around this old farmhouse and I work hard to keep wild nature at bay. Without my efforts brambles, bracken, gorse and nettles would soon take over. The farmers either side of me work equally hard on steep land which might well be regarded as territory for rewinding. But they rear and raise sheep and beef cattle, and they produce British food which would otherwise be imported from New Zealand and Brazil.

    If there are politicians in London pressing the case for rewilding they can start with bringing brambles and bracken into Hyde Park. Let them do their rewilding there 

  • Fisherman
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    edited October 2022 #502

    Eurotraveller- Got it in one. Arm chair environmentalists running the agenda.Now this year has again been good one  for acorns.Have planted over a 100 in a nursery bed to replace the sapplings I planted this spring. Helping current nature not some dream of turning us back to the dark ages. Wonder how many of the shouters are doing smething similar?

  • mickysf
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    edited October 2022 #503

    Planting of a few saplings here and there is great but the big picture needs to be seen by all.  Yes, manage environments for the betterment of nature is good and this attitude thankfully is growing apace. What is not needed now, in my opinion, are those extremes of views, virtual monocultures like some  managed moorland or total wilderness suggested by a few, particularly those shooters against any forms of rewilding which they falsely  use as a counter argument. The current Rewilding agenda is neither!  Best aim is for the middle ground, (Pardon the pun). I’m sure the vast majority in our population would find this agreeable.

    A fairly recent study has shown that mass release of game birds into the environment has a severe and devastating effect on many, some endangered species in certain environments.  This and other related aspects needs to recognised too and solutions found to counteract the loss of such animals and their environments.. It’s all about ‘proper’ balance! Balance across the whole of nature, the whole land and some seeing that big picture. 

    https://www.birdguides.com/articles/mass-pheasant-releases-linked-to-severe-declines-in-reptile-population/

  • mickysf
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    edited October 2022 #504

    More of the same please, unenlightened land owners and farmers take note, properly working with nature and seeing the big nature picture.
    https://www.greatbritishlife.co.uk/people/knepp-rewilding-allowing-nature-freedom-9313480

    We are now planning next year’s trip to Norfolk and Suffolk in the MH.👍

  • brue
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    edited October 2022 #505

    Micky the article is typical of certain very well off individuals who are a million miles removed from the average land owners and farmers who grow our food and keep things in good heart.  It's a tourist attraction! 

  • mickysf
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    edited October 2022 #506

    I totally understand Brue, but for such ‘landed gentry’ to change their age old direction and actually have an understanding of such things and then have a mind to change the landscape for the ‘better’ is a positive thing in my opinion. Now if our National Parks could do more of the same some of natures battles good be partially won. Look at the work being carried out in the Netherlands as an example!👍

  • Wherenext
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    edited October 2022 #507

    Micky, not sure if you actually listened to this podcast or not but it relates to your last post on this thread insofar as it is about a rewilding scheme in the Netherlands that had as many bad points as good. Things aren't black and white and even those doing the rewinding miscalculate.

    There is a valid view of giving nature a helping hand especially as Homo Sapiens are responsible for much of the destruction of the natural habits that supported the very nature being rewilded but care has to be taken that you don't end up tipping the balance against nature itself. Not every rewilding programme is sustainable in the long term.

  • Fisherman
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    edited October 2022 #508

    No chance of the eco warriors. City types understanding country issues and the compexity. They see themselves as some white knights and with funding behind them railroad t= heir ideas through. There is then a fierce backlash from those whoareeffected and neverbthe two will meet.In fact it puts most people off any, if well intentioned, ideas. Typical example was here when the Tetra Pack hieress and her cohorts with a 3M fund tried to rewild Mid Wales. The fact they owned not one acre but got the RSPB etc interested with their funding was totally alien to them. Fortunately we locals got together and send them packing but we are still vigilant.

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited October 2022 #509

    Everything would be good for you if your mates didn’t sell up & go for £pounds over principles. Folk with money know that a person’s principles are always for sale regardless of how much they bang on about them🤷🏻‍♂️. Fact.

  • Oneputt
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    edited October 2022 #510

    Some years ago some rewinding project wanted to introduce Sea Eagles In Norfolk and Suffolk there was a massive outcry by farmers, fishermen and others so no further action taken.  Fast forward a few years and nature has helped itself, we have sea eagles as regular visitors all year round.  Don’t think they breed here yet but that’s a possibility in the future 

  • mickysf
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    edited October 2022 #511

    Again I do understand but this counter argument is often used to do absolutely nothing or make ridicule where attempts are made. Yes, we do learn all the time and that balance really needs to be very carefully managed and adjusted where needed as I’ve previously mentioned. Doing nothing is not an option in my opinion. Afterall, it’s our doing that has created the imbalance and loss of habitats.

    As for the Norfolk WTE project, there are no breeding pairs. The project which was aimed at achieving this was thwarted by the likes of Bernard Mathews, a few ill informed farmers and the game estates and politics won over nature.