Electric and hybrid car charging on club sites

johnlancs
johnlancs Forum Participant Posts: 5
edited August 2022 in UK Campsites & Touring #1

I was informed this year by a site Marshall at the Centenary club site that if I wished to charge up my Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV on a club site it would cost £9 per day.

since I only get 26 miles from a full charge I thought this was excessive .

I wrote to the club pointing out that we pay for up to 16A electricity in the pitch fee and as long as we don’t exceed this there should be no further charge. At most my charger uses 10A and only charges for 4 hours.

What does anyone else think about this?

 

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  • JVB66
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    edited August 2022 #2

    I think you will find the £9 per charge is for full EVs ?

     

     

  • Oscarmax
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    edited August 2022 #4

    Unfortunately it is £9.00 to charge up your Outlander PHEV, we use an APP Octopus juice and charge up for much less off site.

    Good news Black Knowl CMC site in Brockenhurst does have a dedicated charging point, the bad news it has never worked for the past few years plus it will not be fixed this year.

    However, there is nothing stopping you charge up twice in a single day.

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited August 2022 #5

    No, it’s for all types. See the other thread and this link - 

    https://www.caravanclub.co.uk/whats-on/caravan-club-news/vehicle-charging-on-uk-club-campsites/

     

  • brue
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    edited August 2022 #7

    Nobody is being subsidised by ev owners who have already paid for inclusive electricity and can only use the same amount as other site users whilst reducing the supply to their own vans. They could be alongside someone who is running a huge van with aircon and a large fridge freezer 24/7. I would guess the £9 helps subsidise those who heat the planet....wink

    As it stands a disproportionate usage of energy by some site users is subsidised by everyone and certainly not by ev owners.

     

     

  • Randomcamper
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    edited August 2022 #8

    The way the price of electricity is going it can only be a (short) matter of time until individual pitches are metered. Otherwise the "included" price of electricity will double the current pitch fees.....

    At least then the bickering over who uses what will end........tongue-out

  • johnlancs
    johnlancs Forum Participant Posts: 5
    edited August 2022 #9

    The point being that we pay for up to 16A with our pitch fee.

    How we use it should be up to us.

    To charge our EV 

    To run our air-conditioning

    To leave a heater on in our awning for the dog

    To charge our mobility scooter or electric bike.

    Why single out the electric car owner.

    This is surely  discrimination. 

    The best way forward is to meter the electricity supply and so you pay for what you use.

     

  • johnlancs
    johnlancs Forum Participant Posts: 5
    edited August 2022 #10

    Today this rolled up next to me.

    Air-conditioning running all day and night

    2 huge dogs

    Was this punishment for having an EV and complaining about the £9 a day charging fee

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited August 2022 #11

    I’m not quite sure why you mentioned the dogs as they won’t have used electricity.

    Fabulous LV, mind👍🏻

  • JollyKernow
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    edited August 2022 #12

    Evening

    Having an american rv I can assure you, they use no more power than your average modern caravan. My rv has 300watts of solar power along with 4 golf cart batteries (leisure batteries) along with a 2kw inverter. I know a lot of rv'ers in this country and they have similar solar or run the silent inbuilt diesel generator. Don't think a large rv will use more power than you will. In this hot spell I've been running the aircon 24/7 at 18 degrees for 6 days off hookup, no ehu used.

    What's 2 huge dogs got to do with anything? 

    JK

  • clarinetman
    clarinetman Forum Participant Posts: 265
    edited August 2022 #13

    Seen more and more of these beauties, yes they are beautiful but just too big for a caravan and motorhome club site or as they are called now campsite.

    sorry my opinion 

     

  • mbee1
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    edited August 2022 #14

    i don’t own an EV but was somewhat shocked when arriving on a site to see a £9 per day charge for those that do own one. Surely a deterrent for anyone wanting to be more environmentally friendly.  What the club should be doing is charging MH owners for taking  another vehicle. Hardly saving the planet!

  • SteveL
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    edited August 2022 #15

    We tend to mainly walk, or if available use public transport, rather than going out in the tow car as many caravaners do. Does that mean we get a discount.😉😂

  • JVB66
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    edited August 2022 #16

    Your RV/LV?are you just experimenting? To see if it works without an umbilical cord?

  • JollyKernow
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    edited August 2022 #17

    Not sure what you mean by experimenting. I meant RV as in American RV not LV.

    JK

  • Cornersteady
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    edited August 2022 #18

    Which is more environmentally friendly, having a ICE car with you or an EV.

    Also it could be said that it is more environmentally friendly going off site in a small car than taking the MH?

  • cyberyacht
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    edited August 2022 #19

    An E bike, perhaps. Recharged by solar panels, of course.

  • JVB66
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    edited August 2022 #20

     RV=LV both are the same just some are larger  wink when you posted about no hookup, I thought you were on site  as you said from the 15 th was your time off for six days?cool

  • mbee1
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    edited August 2022 #21

    But you've taken two vehicles, possibly travelling hundreds of miles.  In my opinion, charging an EV should be free and an additional charge for the second combustion engined vehicle.

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited August 2022 #22

    Free? Wow! You do realise that would mean we'd all be subsidising EV users via our site fees.

  • Cornersteady
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    edited August 2022 #23

    Yes one has but assuming that's the way it is which one (MH with an EV or ICE) is more environmentally friendly?

    I regularly take two cars to a site, I assume that if one of them was an EV it would be better? 

  • brue
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    edited August 2022 #24

    In the present system EV users are expected to pay an extra £9 whilst they reduce the electricity flow to their vans in order to charge their vehicles. There's no logic to this and EV users are probably subsidising all the awning heaters, aircon units, microwaves, big fridge freezers, extra heaters, deep fat fryers, portable ovens, e bikes, scooters, you name it,  those additional appliances that CAMC deems essential! 

    Site electricity bills won't be going up due to EV users.....wink

     

  • cyberyacht
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    edited August 2022 #25

    The demands of an EV battery are, I think, substantially greater than the equipment listed in Brue's post. In the interests of being equitable, metering would seem to be the solution.

  • MikeyA
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    edited August 2022 #26

    EV users are probably subsidising all the awning heaters, aircon units, microwaves, big fridge freezers, extra heaters, deep fat fryers, portable ovens, e bikes, scooters, you name it, those additional appliances that CAMC deems essential!

    brue - Does having an EV exclude you from owning all the other paraphernalia?

    If EV owners don't want to spend the £9 then they can always go elsewhere. 

  • mbee1
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    edited August 2022 #27

    Of course it would. One MH plus an EV would be greener that a MH and another petrol or diesel car.

    The Club doesn't seem to be looking at the environmental impact of vehicles on their sites.  They should consider allowing one petrol or diesel vehicle per pitch.  Additional vehicles should be subject to a charge unless they're an EV for which there should be a charging for charging.

    If you own an EV you don't pay the Congestion Charge in London yet you have to pay the Club £9 a night to charge it!  Doesn't really make sense.