5g Masts

JVB66
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edited July 2022 in General Chat #1

In our area the company that owns the 3 network are trying to get permission from the LA  planning dept to install Very high masts to overcome it seems the poor signal strength of the 5g. network ,and the areas they want to install these monsters,are not considered by the company just hoping it seems there will be nil or little opposition ,

So be warned as the applications and letters to local residents are very few ,it is only by word of mouth from neighbours,that they are coming to light,

One application near us was very near a primary school

Another was in a conservation area ,and was onl picked up by the local history society,

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  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited July 2022 #2

    What is the problem with them?, they guarantee reception for all of us. Nimbyism is hurting everyone’s access to good communications🤷🏻‍♂️

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited July 2022 #3

    Mmm, I can’t quite understand the problem with the mast being close to a primary school unless those strange folk were right and 5G really does spread the Corona virus🤔

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  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited July 2022 #5

    😂😂, it’s a good thing-5g will soon be the norm. I think year 2020 created some howlers that’s for sure🙄. Bring it on, you can’t stop the future. . .Gladly.

  • JVB66
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    edited July 2022 #6

    It is not the masts that is objected to ,   it is that because big companies  as Hutchinson ,think they can put them up as and where they want without any thoughts of those ithey will effect the most.  ,luckily the local history society are now on the case ,and several  have had the application turned down with several others now gone to Central Government  on appeal, 

    As for nymbyism ,it is a pity more people do not stand up to inappropriate planning applications,   then moan about what has happened  After it was approved 

     And with 5g having it seems a very small transmission area compared to older phone applications,there will be many more masts to compensate,

    Just beware what you think on paper is a good system for some ,

    Just a warning to those who have any  real thought of their local area what to expect as  it may come to outside your properties 

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited July 2022 #7

    It’s similar to those who fight masts to then turn around & decry bad signals. I welcome masts not fight them. I’m not one to cocoon this country in cotton wool. There’s plenty of space for everyone. Look forward not back. . .The clock moves forward never back👍🏻

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited July 2022 #8

    There are thousands of people in rural areas who would welcome a mast to give them a signal, JV. 

    5G is the new 4G which was once the new 3G which was…….etc

  • JVB66
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    edited July 2022 #9

    No money in putting any in rural areasundecided

    But if you had read my posts ,I did say 5g has a smaller transmission range than previous systems ,which is the reason many more masts are needed,, hence the much higher proliferation needed for 5g surprised

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited July 2022 #10

    Have you not heard of the Govt pledge to bring mobile comms to rural areas?

    I did read your posts, otherwise I would not be responding. 

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited July 2022 #11

    For your information, although 5G will not replace 4G in technical terms, it may very well do so in terms of demand. It will be needed to run certain facilities/applications so the masts will be needed wherever the demand is, whether that be city centres or rural areas, in order to provide national coverage.

    There is always a trade off between supplying technology and the impact such provision may have on society as a whole. No gain without pain. 

  • cyberyacht
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    edited July 2022 #12

    There seems to be a mad rush for 5G when the telecoms companies haven't even got around to providing a 4G network with virtually universal coverage. If they can't do that, what hope for a comprehensive 5G one?

    Do we really need 5G. Is it essential to be able to stream/download an HD film on the move in nanoseconds? Realistically a good 4G signal is adequate for 99% of the stuff we want.

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  • Tinwheeler
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    edited July 2022 #14

    In terms of domestic usage for the fuddy duddies like you and I, CY, I agree but we don't make the world go around and businesses have different needs.

    The features such as fast downloads, streaming and gaming are very important to some people, even if they're not to us, and I guess we need to appreciate we're not all the same.🤷‍♂️

  • Metheven
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    edited July 2022 #15

    In a similar vein, I have fibre to the house and because KCOM will not share the roads underground ducting, a rival firm 'MS3 network' is going to dig up a whole length of unblemished pavement to lay cables and no planning permission is needed other than to reinstate to council regulations. So we will have a dark tarmacked trench width down an unblemished grey pavement.

    Other streets are even worse where underground ducting won't be shared, another fibre firm are installing 5 metre poles and will overhead cable to residents if they wish to change supplier, a backward step, again no planning permission needed. 

  • brue
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    edited July 2022 #16

    If you read up about 5G transmission it doesn't necessarily mean that large masts have to be used, 5G transmission is reputed to need less in the way of large structures for transmission! The signal strength should be stronger not weaker, that's the whole point of each generation upgrade. 5G means fifth generation, using higher frequencies than previous "generations."

    OFCOM 5G

    My details come from elsewhere, Ofcom offers a very basic view but it was easy to find.

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  • Takethedogalong
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    edited July 2022 #18

    Speaking as one who has happily enjoyed a TV signal from two of the highest structures in England, namely Emley Moor and Holme Moss, then progress needs to continue. I am sure windmills were possible considered witchcraft, child killers, disease spreaders back in the 1300’s by some. But the vast amount of folks just needed the flour to survive.

    I came across a huge project happening near where we live, quite by accident the other day. Part of the TPT near Dunford Bridge has been diverted, must have cost thousands to do. Reason? National Grid are at last taking down the unsightly pylons and everything is going underground. Progress.

  • Navigateur
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    edited July 2022 #19

    I thought the ETLs already went underground through the Woodhead railway tunnel . . ?

  • DavidKlyne
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    edited July 2022 #20

    We had the same situation in Milton Keynes. Probably for 30 years plus, after MK was started every house was connected to BT ducts. These were also used to provide conventional telephone connections and TV, later ADSL and in recent years FTTP and FTTC but at best internet speed were around 70 Mbps. Then came along City Fibre who wanted to install high speed internet fibre, up to 900mbps and they had to dig up all the roads because BT wouldn't cooperate!

    With regard to 5G, well technology marches on. For everyone who doesn't want a mast there are probably hundreds who do. No harm in trying to persuade local authorities to be sensitive where the masts are situated but you have to be careful as you can't push new technology back.

    David

     

  • cyberyacht
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    edited July 2022 #21

    Is 5G really progress?  I can understand its usefulness in a tight location from a central node but, for universal coverage, it's a step backwards with very limited range. I'd sooner have a 4G connection that I can get a signal from than a super fast 5G one that drops out if I move another 10 metres from my current position.

    It's a bit like these sooper-dooper 256K ultra ultra definition TVs or whatever the latest spec is. If the human eye can't tell the difference, what is the point.

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited July 2022 #22

    It is progress. What on earth else could it be?

    Fear not, CY, you won't be forced to use 5G.

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  • JVB66
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    edited July 2022 #24

    The  5g masts being mooted for this area are at first 15mtr with another 10mtr possible with a quite large array at the top In many at this time not needed for the 

  • JVB66
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    edited July 2022 #25

    The trunking that was installed when we han town wide TV and  radio transmitted has been super ceded by the cable companies and all all the underground ducts are now full ,so if any house has a cable fault the area has to be dug up to splice anothe cable in

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited July 2022 #26

    The Human eye can tell the difference. I use 4K throughout my home entertainment systems. If a person has grown used to 4K content a drop down to 2k is noticeable, 1080p isn’t fuzzy vision but alongside 2 & 4K it is. 24hr news is no longer HD & it shows🤷🏻‍♂️. If the inability to see tree leaf in different shades isn’t an issue good but I like watching nature as if it’s in my room not in a dingy Pub snug🙁

  • JVB66
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    edited July 2022 #27

    Every ones eye sight deteriorates as we agewink

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited July 2022 #28

    That’s why Opticians where inventedwink

  • JVB66
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    edited July 2022 #29

    So it is not just the TV pictures,

    A reason I no longer drive at night after my last visit to the optician 

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  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited July 2022 #31

    What is not just the TV pictures, you need to expand on that if you want an answer JV🤷🏻‍♂️