No bins on Club Site
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I don't know if TDA would agree but it looked as if the bins at Ferry Meadows may well have had the types of waste details on the the bin lids but they just seem to have worn off. You could make out what was once white paint but it didn't form words!!! Ferry Meadows is a site we have been to quite a lot over the years as its fairly near home. Have to say I was slightly disappointed on this trip. Apart from it being expensive!! The part open all year has an almost unusable motorhome waste point. Other than toilet chemicals and gas, nothing else was for sale in reception. Gas was advertise in one of the windows of reception with a price but rather pointedly "cash only" notice which didn't appear very welcoming. We have obviously learnt nothing from COVID in the way of cash less transactions?
David
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Thanks for reporting Brue. It’s quite likely as DK says that the bins were once marked up, but it’s certainly not obvious now, and wasn’t last year when we were over on the other side, so that’s a quick fix really👍
Thanks JK. I had an incline it might have been Marazion. It’s not a site that really needs a tractor, so good on you!
Great insight from another Member of staff as well Mark👍 Wholeheartedly agree with what you say. No way should staff have to sort through bags of rubbish in any way.
We got good vfm at FM DK. Wasn’t peak season, no energy supplement and still with the VAT discount, so a reasonable £21 or so for us. The location was perfect as we wanted the cycling, so happy to pay that for three nights. But we wouldn’t have paid what you did. Much prefer the seasonal side as well, we were on grass last year. We didn’t use the MH emptying point, as we simply hook a bucket under our waste tap and empty this after a shower, so no big tank of water to dispose of, it’s just our preference on some Sites. Just out of interest, did you see the alarms going off at the sewage system by the exit gate? It happened each morn8ng we were there, tying up staff each time.🤷♀️
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Even labelling bins is not certain. I wonder at both the literacy and mentality of some members. Masses of cardboard/bottles in general waste and often the cardboard is still in voluminous mode. They don't even have the nous to flatten it. Ot's a good job the dinosaurs died out before we turned up. We'd never have outwitted them.
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Have heard it said by site staff that the beginning and end of season was the worst time for the dumping of items which would never go in home bins. From car/leisure batteries to old pet bedding, from TVs to microwaves, from camping chairs to old walking boots and even awnings. The list may be endless but I’ve also heard of items being deliberately brought from home to site bins which have never ever been used on a camp site. What are we like? Maybe one bin area covered by CCTV is needed.
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In my very limited experience of club sites I've noticed there are unfortunately a significant number of, to be blunt, lazy slobs who cannot be bothered to think what they do with there rubbish.
One point does however spring to mind. There is no joined up recycling structure from borough to borough, let alone throughout counties, and definitely not throughout the country. Everywhere seems to do it differently and so the club cannot really have a standard approach to bin contents across all sites, it will have to be on a local basis. So when you travel 100 miles to a site in a different part of the country some confusion will arise on what you are supposed to stick where.
Answer, one clearly labelled set of wheelie bins at one location with easy access for staff, campers and refuse collection.
Isn't this what we experience when on the continent.
Colin
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eM, that I understand. Think the club adopted a one fits all approach across the network at one time. Then the local refuse companies picked the bones out of what was collected. Think it was all coordinated by one central coordinating ‘provider’.
Our authority started out decades ago on the recycling mission with about four different bins per household, now it’s one bin takes all and they tell us that their recycling efforts and credentials have never been better.0 -
Currently at Chatsworth which has a central bin point near the toilet block. Seems to work well and it’s more or less in the centre of the site. I think it’s a good idea. The one for recycling is clearly labelled with what you can out in it and anything else goes in the other.
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The Club has and is reviewing how the Site Network manages their waste process on site to try and mitigate the number of bin bags it currently uses, reduce manual handling and also remove the danger from sharp objects stabbing staff.
Over the past two years we have trialled centralised waste points on some sites to understand the impact to both members and staff. Large bins have been placed in central location or at the exit at some well chosen sites, these bins are propped open so the member does not have to lift any heavy lids, for both for mixed recycling and general waste. Guests and members should be informed of the waste system on arrival by the team or via a site leaflet and if there are any concerns the team are always on hand to support.
Since we have been using this system on a few of our sites, we have saved thousands of plastic bags going into the waste stream (a real win for the environment), our recycling rates have increased and we have had no accidents with sharp objects stabbing the site teams. The reduction of manual handling has also been welcome, as depending on the site and the amount of waste left behind, the bin bags in the 'dust bins' can be exceptionally heavy.
We are still trialling these centralised areas, and we do appreciate there will be mixed feelings about them, but I am sure everyone will agree, if we can reduce the amount of waste we produce, it's a win for everyone.
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Long overdue but glad to see the club moving in the right direction now Rowena. Just as long as they don't follow one Independent site we have stayed at who expect you to take all rubbish off site. No bins at all!
Thanks for your update.
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I understand the sentiment & it’s great to save the environment & help staff safety, but since the club is now saving on hours of staff time, bins, fuel, bin bags etc. where is the reduction in cost to the members? Oh no there isn’t one! The club is very quick to put prices up when something costs them more, but never reduces the cost when something costs them less, except for VAT last year before someone makes the point (only because it was a legal requirement) So yet again the club is providing less convenience for its members at more of a cost to them, so we are still paying for a service that is no longer actually happening. At home bin liners haven’t been used for years & yet the have found a way to fulfil the service that I pay for & empty bins without me having to walk hundreds of meters with my rubbish & that’s when I am not on holiday trying to relax!
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At home bin liners haven’t been used for years & yet the have found a way to fulfil the service that I pay for & empty bins
If your refuse collection is anything like ours, you wheel the bin to the roadside and it is picked up by a hydraulic lift and emptied into a sealed wagon. It would be fairly difficult to replicate anything like that on site without major expense.0 -
The Vat reduction was nit a legal requirement and many organisations dis not reduce their prices in line with the Vat reduction
As for bin liners not required ?there is a good income for companies that pressure wash bins where people. so not use bin liners
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2nd paragraph, 3rd line reads ; these bins are propped open so that the member does not have to lift any heavy lids.
I wrote to head office last year complaining that it was near impossible to lift the lids, so we shall see if they are propped open this year.
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Afternoon
Personally I don't think it's a good idea having large wheelie bins with the lids propped open, especially recycled items. There's a fire risk, maybe a stray cigarette tossed in, the risk of stuff blowing out everywhere, smell, risk of hazardous items being exposed etc etc. Fro my experience, and I think jvb has mentioned above, a normal dustbin placed next to the wheelie bin for anyone can't lift the heavy lids works well.
JK
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Some even have slots PD, no lid lifting at all required. I agree with JK, you don’t want bulk refuse container lids left open.
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…..risk of the lid falling onto someone's arm? 😫
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Eurobins (1100lt), what we have aren't designed to be propped open. Therefore whatever is used for the job has to be homemade. In the event as TW says above that the prop for whatever reason failed and someone was hurt I wonder what the HSE would have to say.
We had a brief a long while ago that nothing home made is to be used on site where there's a risk of harm to anyone, so unless the bin companies supply such a propping device the bins on my site would stay closed. If anyone has trouble lifting the lid there's always someone to give assistance.
As far as savings go, I use on average £8 worth of bin bags a week so around £200 per season. In the low season I do the bin run with a wheelbarrow so no fuel used (good exercise!). I'd gain around an hour and a half per day which would easily get soaked up maintaining 11 acres of grounds so negligible. The cost of bin uplifts has as with everything that's connected to the use of an engine (bin wagon) skyrocketed so any savings made on site instantly disappear.
JK
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A lot of that shopping will end up as food waste in those bins micky! Shocking what people throw out.
JK
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When I had my apartment in Spain, there was no individual bin. At various strategic points there were wheelie bins and you took your own waste there. The lid was opened by standing on a foot rail. Collection was by a single driver who didn't even vacate his cab. He stopped alongside, waggled a few levers and the bin was emptied and replaced untouched by human hand. Very efficient. Collection was generally daily.
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