2022- 6 Nations

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  • Extugger
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    edited March 2022 #32

    Good game in Cardiff last night with Wales offering stiff resistance and things could have been so different had Jonathan Davies kept his eye on the ball. I got the feeling that if the French had needed another gear, it was there in reserve. They are a class outfit.

    What was sad, was the 10,000 or so unsold tickets. At a £100 a time and on a Friday night, it is hopefully the last time we'll see a Friday night fixture, under floodlights in an enclosed stadium. Rugby is an outdoor sport, traditionally played on a Saturday afternoon.

  • nelliethehooker
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    edited March 2022 #33

    Agree all round, Extugger, even Sunday afternoon is better than Friday night.

    Was pleased to see some great tries in the Italy/Scots game, and the England/Ireland game was a tense one up to the last 15 mins, but England then ran out of steam, having to play the virtually the whole game with a man short. I think that Charlie Ewels was unfortunate to get sent off, as he had no control of James Ryan ducking down those few inches that resulted in the clash of heads, but rools is rools as they say and he had to go. 

    Looking forward to the final round of games next weekend.

  • Extugger
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    edited March 2022 #34

    Yes Nellie - something of a spectacle dished up in Rome and a very enjoyable game it was too!

    As for the debacle at Twickenham - I turned it off after 82 seconds following a minor bump of heads and England reduced to 14 men with no mitigating circumstances taken into account. I believe it was a French referee who ruined what should have been a really good contest? Hmmm

     

  • ABM
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    edited March 2022 #35

    Sorry, XT,  you have missed one cracker of a game, honestly  frown

    R is R, as Nellie says,  but England's 14 had  totally outplayed t'other lot wink until the weight of Irish numbers told on the 'Whites'.  Unusually I cant find anything wrong in the Ref's view,  he was much closer to the action than I and probably has a rather clearer view of the rules themselves too  

  • Extugger
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    edited March 2022 #36

    My real point Brian is that I’m sick of the way my beloved game has been ruined by the introduction of TMO’s, Red Cards et al. Yes the game itself has turned professional and changed. However these new rules are not helping the enjoyment of the contest - how can it when it creates an imbalance?

    I agree that tackling around the neck is dangerous   (my son suffered a broken neck from such an incident ) but a sending off for an accidental clash of heads? Man up! This is a game for men, hard men, not fairies that masquerade as footballers! Just ask the woman😀

    Ive now watched the game in its entirety and must applaud the English pack for battering the Irish throughout. The front 5 were simply magnificent but it was only a matter of time before their energy levels dropped 

  • ABM
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    edited March 2022 #37

    Well, it's a bit different from my years with hard leather toecaps, leather studs held in place by three nails, shirts & shorts that could do satisfactory duty as sand / emery paper surprised  and laces over, under & round the back of the boot { but never EVER knotted on top -- kick the old lacey properly and you learn why yell }

  • Fisherman
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    edited March 2022 #38

    In the end it just emphasised how boring a team England has become under Eddie Jones. Seems they play a bit like painting by numbers. Get Shaun Edwards in charge.even if his vocabulary upsets the old f.... in blazers he would bring back some passion to the game.

  • Extugger
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    edited March 2022 #39

    Typical nonsensical comment!  It’s Shaun Edwards’ coaching tactics and blanket defence which is stifling the game - his legacy is testament to Wales’ boring rugby and current  position in the table. 😀👍

  • Fisherman
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    edited March 2022 #40

    And the French are quite likely to be Grand Slam winners next week. Is that despite Edwards?

  • Extugger
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    edited March 2022 #41

    Oh! The very same team who earlier I recall you reckoning were nothing special!! It’s unusual to find a Welshman who knows nothing about it’s National sport. Maybe you’ll have more success drowning worms?

  • mickysf
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    edited March 2022 #42

    Bit controversial but for me Italy were the stand out side. Everyone has said they die after 60 mins but this weekend they played their best in the last 20mins. Yes, England showed fortitude at 14 men but to be honest they should be showing that every time they walk out, they don’t, well certainly not under the present coach (Steady Eddie)!

  • Extugger
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    edited March 2022 #43

    Can’t argue with any of that Micky, however if Jones continues to play the current captain in his rightful position of second row and not flanker, we may see a bit more grunt from the pack. Jack Nowell has hopefully secured his new position in the pack and most definitely has the pace to be a flanker. Whatever next? Sergio Parisse to appear next Saturday against Alun W Jones? About time Steady Eddie unleashed a few more youngsters methinks - there’s nothing to lose. If England beat the French they hand the championship to Ireland 

  • mickysf
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    edited March 2022 #44

    Jack, the back, in the pack was an interesting and effective addition to a depleted scrum in that moment and on the day but I’m sure the French would have a simple answer to that. Steady Eddie needs to think inside the box and pick players best suited for specific positions and then instil that passion for kith and country which so often wins those tough games me thinks. 

    As for Sergio he has said he would love one last swan-song but l’m not sure he has it left in him despite his very obvious, indisputable and much appreciated talent that we have witnessed in the past.

    As long as we enjoy excellent and enthralling rugby this coming weekend I’m really not that bothered who lifts the championship this year!

  • ABM
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    edited March 2022 #45

    surprised  Mickysf Really    ~~>  go thee now and wash out yer mouth you bad lad  innocent

  • Extugger
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    edited March 2022 #46

    I’m really not that bothered who lifts the championship this year!

    Sorry Mickysf, but you're off my Christmas Card list! wink 

  • Fisherman
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    edited March 2022 #47

    Extugger- See the Warburton and Care podcast for coach ranking.Your Eddie came 6 th out of 6. As some of outr greatest players they must be wrong!.

  • mickysf
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    edited March 2022 #48

    I thought I’d written that comment very quietly! 😱

    Of course the heart still yearns for an English victory! Have I redeemed myself?🤣🏉

  • Extugger
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    edited March 2022 #49

    Certainly have Mickysf 👍😂😂

  • mickysf
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    edited March 2022 #50

    I wonder what today’s team announcement will bring. Players out of position? Backs in the forwards, who knows! May not actually be Saturdays team to take the pitch. Steady Eddie may just play mind games as he often does and keep the French guessing. As I said in the leap post, this may be the top test game🏉🤪

  • mickysf
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    edited March 2022 #51

    Well here it is!

    England team to play France:
    15. George Furbank

    14. Freddie Steward

    13. Joe Marchant

    12. Henry Slade

    11. Jack Nowell

    10. Marcus Smith

    9. Ben Youngs

    1. Ellis Genge

    2. Jamie George

    3. Will Stuart

    4. Maro Itoje

    5. Nick Isiekwe

    6. Courtney Lawes

    7. Sam Underhill

    8. Sam Simmonds

    Finishers

    16. Nic Dolly 

    17. Joe Marler

    18. Kyle Sinckler

    19. Ollie Chessum

    20. Alex Dombrandt 

    21. Harry Randall

    22. George Ford

    23. Elliot Daly

    Any thoughts?

  • ABM
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    edited March 2022 #52

    Hmmmm, undecided,  at least they managed to avoid the drop !! but not as cheerful a sight as watching ITALEEE, ITALEEE, ITALEEE !  Only 36 -- 1 now,  or so I am led to understand  smile

  • Extugger
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    edited March 2022 #53

    Travelled up just north of Wick yesterday and couldn’t believe what I was listening to! Later, having seen “the try of the Century” the cheering continued long into the night with Scots people of all ages. Needless to say I shall be eating pasta and pizza until next 6 Nations!! 😂😂 Absolutely brilliant how the tournament ended. Great game in Paris and as expected, Les Bleu worthy Grand Slam winners 👍

  • mickysf
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    edited March 2022 #54

    This was the moment of the six nations for me.
    https://www.givemesport.com/87986114-six-nations-wales-josh-adams-beautiful-moment-with-italys-ange-capuozzo

    This epitomised everything about our game!

  • Extugger
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    edited March 2022 #55

    Didn’t see that Micky, but having seen your clip, yes, fantastic sportsmanship 👍👏👏👏

  • mickysf
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    edited March 2022 #56

     

    Two things to ask
    https://www.guardian-series.co.uk/sport/national/20007110.rfu-fully-supports-eddie-jones-despite-englands-underwhelming-six-nations/

    Is this true and would a player with the stature of Ange Capuozzo ever get even close to the Elite England Squad?

  • nelliethehooker
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    edited March 2022 #57

     Great sportsmanship from Josh Adams, doubt anything like that would happen in the round ball game at international level.money-mouth

    The result table is as I expected, but what a great finish to the Welsh game. Italy fighting to the end and getting just rewards. With their under19's beating both England and Wales the Italians should not be undervalued in the future.

  • mickysf
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    edited March 2022 #58

    As expected, Nellie? I’d expect much better of England to be honest. So what’s going wrong? Two things in my opinion. Firstly, the coaching staff, the best English coaches are coaching those sides which are at the top of that results table. Get Eddie and co. out and them in! Was easy, not so now!

    Secondly we heard this weekend how strong junior club rugby is currently in France and growing fast in non traditional areas. In Italy rugby generally is on the ascendancy in popularity in both the Senior and Junior Clubs. In England this area stalled after that initial growth following on from success in 2003 and is now going backwards fast. 

    Junior Clubs in Rugby are those grass roots clubs below the professional clubs, and they are ones the French and Italian Unions are particularly targeting for development, inclusion and growth. 

    Somethings must change!

     

  • Fisherman
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    edited March 2022 #59

    Just two things wrong with English rugby.Yuo must be lucky compared wih Wales where the whole structure is broken.

  • mickysf
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    edited March 2022 #60

    I’m sure it’s the same here, Fish but remember that old saying, “you can eat an elephant but only in small bites”. We even know that there is an elephant in the room and it’s name! Time for Eddie the Elephant to pack his trunk me thinks!

  • nelliethehooker
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    edited March 2022 #61

    I agree about the lack of development from grass roots, but it Is a long time since I was incomprehension not sure how they now go about recruiting talent into the game with so many other attractions about for young lads. I can't say the same for the lassies as they are going from strength to strength.

    I think that EJ is now past it as far has new ideas are concerned. He is definitely yesterday's man as far as I am concerned.