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Its simple you need land in order to offer this service. There aren't many who own land nationwide (NT springs to mind as an exception) so it is down to those with single plots to offer a service either through certification, "Safe Knights" (MCC members offer) or as Brit Stops have done by getting land owners to join a group membership scheme. For the individual it hardly an earth shattering income once costs are taken into account so these are largely operated as a sideline to a main business. . Other land owners have to be convinced of the wider benefits and not just parking profits.
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So who paid in that site in Spain? Perhaps I missed it but I couldn't see who had?
But back to your post, so why aren't local councils then offering up their land? I don't think it's as simple as you are saying. Perhaps they have seen what could happen and local resident's views are more important?
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But then that goes against your post?
R2B asked why town councils are so against or slow and you answered it's not that simple, now you're saying many are?
Personally if there is a good profit to be made then they should be doing so and as Rocky says doing so much quicker, but they are not. I'm tending to think and agree with R2B there isn't that much demand and not enough profit and public money could be better spent, as perhaps local residents do?
Also increasingly are? what does that mean PD? any actual facts and figures on this increase? or just your view?
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Well I suppose that could be said to be of greater benefit to more people than the people with (often expensive) MH wanting cheaper or free places to stay?
Just one viewpoint?
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I agree, attitude is a key factor, but you can’t ignore numbers. Population density is an obvious issue - you can’t ignore it. It’s like transplanting the situation in New Zealand into the UK and wondering why it doesn’t work! Any scheme in the UK is more likely to be oversubscribed than in France & Spain. It doesn’t negate its relevance, but it does require more controls and a different approach.
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"...both these articles should be seen as constructive attempts to regulate our hobby with a light touch that will benefit both residents and motorhomers"
Indeed they are just that, David, and show both sides of the coin.
I think we have near total agreement here that only the irresponsible few are at fault. Nobody is particularly anti provision of MH parking but the thread was started about the UK so, while the Spanish example may provide thoughts to ponder, it's not necessarily a route the UK will be willing or able to follow.
I think WTG's OP has been useful as info has come from that regarding UK provision which shows it is creeping forward all the time.
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comprehensively rubbished by naysayers
Is saying what happens abroad, and especially in this one linked case, has no real relevance to what happens over here is not comprehensively rubbishing anything? It is merely a point of view and it would be better if you offered a counter opinion of your own as to why rather than such exaggerated comments?
Things are different abroad to over here, I recall that you have often remarked why costs and camping customs are different, they just are.
And naysayers? again why is any post that you don't agree with have to be labelled as such?
Again nothing to do with white pegs (and it must be said here you appear to use club exclusively while over here so you must like them) and nor is anyone saying that club or other 'traditional' campsites must be used at any time (and after all club sites only account for 10% of UK sites) this thread was about a very few MH who are giving all a very bad press.
And I am in full support of having newer type MH provision btw provided by whoever and I suppose provided it makes a profit if public money is used to create them, but at the same time local resident's should be able to enjoy their homes as well.
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That need not be a problem. This place Findhorn although not cheap was troubled by all the usual problems when it was a car park allowing overnight stays. Instead of height barriers and bans, it was transformed into a commercial MH facility. It shows what can be done and at £15 good value given the location and facilities.
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That's a different issue altogether, JV. We are discussing the provision of MH parking and overnight stopping facilities here.
It's the case that even your favourite club site has suffered such invasions yet no one has suggested not providing club sites as a remedy. Yep, it's irrelevant.
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Anywhere that repeatedly has an influx of visitors, be they day visitors, longer stay visitors, second home visitors, campers, caravanners, etc…. needs careful management. If it can be abused in any way, then it will get exploited by a small minority, and it’s usually these who fill the headlines. Gut reaction locally (and somewhat understandable) is to concentrate on the negative, but if carefully managed, it can be successful. Our LA’s, NP’s, the NT etc… are not renowned for liberal attitudes, particularly if there’s any kind of expense involved.
This tiny set of islands we call home is vastly over populated in certain areas, and when that population is confined as it has been these last two years, you are bound to see formerly quiet backwaters overrun with visitors like never before. It’s certainly been the case some places we have revisited, and sadly I fear the genie is now out of the bottle. Attitudes will have to change, and the only positive way forward is for all to try and work together.We have a classic example near us, Clumber Park. It’s been our local go to place to get some fresh air, take a walk, bike ride, family get together for years. But it’s now so popular the NT have put in place severe restrictions as to where you can park, which paths are easily accessible, and all on reduced staffing and budgets. It’s a totally different, restricted, controlled place nowadays. Still nice, but it’s all about the Trust getting the visitors into two areas where they can spend money. And if you don’t want to spend money, all you get is the public road that they cannot levy a charge upon. Too many visitors, too many of the wrong kind of visitors, too few staff to allow a greater freedom of access. Totally different experience.
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