Fuel and electric car charging
I have been on a number sites where electric vehicles have been charging via the site supply. This must stop as fuel at forecourts is now reaching £2 per litre, am I and others to subsidies this act. Cost at sites will need rise with the cost of living so please by all means get some company to to put in charging stations for this use and stop this ASAP.
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Charging EV's on site carries an extra fee. It is not included as part of the pitch fee so you and I do not subsidise it. Charging must also be done via the caravan/MH and not direct from the bollard.
There is info on this website HERE
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Sorry I see this from the other side.
Those who do charge a full EV have to pay a whopping £9 per charge. Whilst their car is charging they have to manage on a reduced supply to their vans which they have already paid for!! To avoid this use a C&CC site where common sense applies, vehicle charging is included and is at the site managers discretion if there are other heavy demands on electricity.
In the future it is hoped that CAMC will not discriminate in this manner, stop elecricity being wasted on sites and encourage vehicles which don't pollute.
Meanwhile we all subsidise the energy wasters.
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I think the club said the present arrangement re charging EVs is an interim measure until dedicated charging points are installed.
Tbh, I’m not sure road tax has anything to do with CAMC pricing 🤷🏻♂️
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Good replies above from TW and Brue but however you look at it or agree, as always one doesn't have to use club sites and anyone isn't subsidising anyone else at all in my view. The club sets out it's prices and 'policies' on charging EV and one pays the club at that set rate and people can choose to go to a club site/pay or not based on their views.
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How does the club sell electricity to an EV owner, is it metered? What is the actual rate per charging time? What are the policies for selling electricty bearing in mind electricity is included in the pitch fees for all sorts of usage eg charging up electric bikes, mobility scooters, awning heaters, electric BBQs etc etc.
No, "one" doesn't have to use a club site and if I was thinking about taking an EV or Hybrid I wouldn't. As I said previously I'd use a C&CC site where the electricty usage is inclusive.
If the club wants to discourage EV users, I congratulate them on their forward thinking.....
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So far as seeing this “from the other side” goes, I spent time yesterday with the owner of a 300 pitch site near Newquay.
The discussion was wide ranging, but on EV charging he felt that due to his electricity costs he would not be able to allow it and that he was frustrated by the “high expectations” of guests who wanted low pitch prices but unlimited use of electricity.
He had considered installing EV chargers but the price, for the type he was told he would need, was prohibitive, and it was the same for metered supplies at the pitch.
I asked him how his LPG supplies were going, which was OK till someone called in and asked for a refill then, when payment was being taken, returned to their car on the pretence of getting their wallet, and drove off.
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I guess it’ll ultimately come down to economies of scale, but at this interim stage of EV adoption many sites won’t see beyond the lack of short-term return on investment and high risks involved. Who can blame them?
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Complete non-starter.
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SB wrote "I asked him how his LPG supplies were going, which was OK till someone called in and asked for a refill then, when payment was being taken, returned to their car on the pretence of getting their wallet, and drove off."
Hopefully he was able to pass the vehicle reg to the police for theft.
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The way prices are going the fine for leaving without paying for a tank of fuel is less than the cost of the fuel . . . !
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Yes, good point. Wouldn’t be surprised to see pre-payment introduced in some areas.
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We tow with a Outlander PHEV we always inform the wardens and pay the £2.00 for charging up per day, a full charge take approximately 10 kWh, however on most occasions nearer the 4 -6 kWh.
We do expect the daily charge to rise to £3.00 in the near future, however when we do plug in the caravans external socket we draw 10 amps of electric, leaving us only 6 amps. For the last 2 year we have not had to switch the Sargent charger on, our 2 solar panel and MPPT controller to charge our batteries.
Our modern caravan is well insulated and all our lighting LED.
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It is wrong to expect other site uses, and those that own conventional fuelled vehicles to subsidise the owners of EV vehicles , EV users do not subsides those that use conventional fuelled vehicles
It is a one sided , dare i say selfish argument, that does not stand scrutiny0 -
I do not think it is expected that other site user subsidised EV charging ,?but when it come to advising the site staff that "can I pay the add charge as I am charging my EV today" that is where honesty. and saving money can collide
Especiallyl when it has been noted that some may take advantage of the vacant hookup on a bollard
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Site charges will include average usage of electricity. Charging EVs will increase that average usage, so it will then be passed on by increased site fees , on all those that book a pitch which includes electric
Expected or not, that mean all owners of non EV vehicle are subsiding EV vehicle owners0 -
You forget that charging an EV is via the caravan and the 16A supply is all that is available. Person A might use the supply to charge an EV while person B might use the same amount to run heating, air con, electric grill etc etc. What's the difference? Thete's only so much you can do with 16A whether it be car charging or running other appliances.
This will not be a permanent state of affairs as separate car charging points will appear over time.
As an aside, the slow trickle charge provided by a 'normal' supply is only recommended for emergency use when charging an EV as long term use can cause battery damage. Therefore, it is unlikely that EV owners will constantly charge in this manner.
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They will when on site ,it is not an uncommon site
An easy answer would be to charge extra for those who are on site with a EV vehicle0 -
What you don't know is whether they charge off site at faster public charge points as a norm and only top up on site when all else fails.
They are charged a fee to charge batteries on site. It would be grossly unfair to levy that fee simply because someone drives an EV.
I have no axe to grind here but am trying to see the situation from both sides. I don't think the present arrangement is unfair to anyone or that one person subsidises another.
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Surely C&MC have costed before deciding to allow EV charging👍🏻. In which case it must be acceptable. I’m with you TW I’m part of the solution not the problem🙂
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No one subsides anyone else's use of electricity on site.
Everyone is given a set amount on site to do with as they wish. The price and amount is set by the club and the 'contract' is with the club, the club pays the electricity you use, not the pitch next to you, and neither are you subsiding that pitch or anyone else's. What you drive on site has no bearing to those prices
It is the same as any all inclusive meal or holiday. The price for those are set you accept them and then enjoy, Or do you personally look to the next table/pool side bar and think as they are eating or drinking more than you are that you are subsiding them in some way? I certainly don't.
Of course the good news is that you too can avail yourself of this 'perk' as well. Just buy an EV.
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what I was going to say +1
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Exactly, Rocky, and the present fees for charging are bound to increase as lekky costs rise.
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And what we mustn't overlook is that EV owners are paying more for the same 16A supply in order to charge their cars.
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I was reading about a site on the Isle of Wight which only charges £12 a night. Why so cheap? The EHU bollards at each pitch are metered. Visitors can charge batteries and heat awnings to their heart’s content. And pay for what they use.
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That's certainly one way of doing it if the site owner is prepared to jump through the legislative hoops in order to achieve it.
With the club, though, we are where we are and have to work around the existing infrastructure.
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Not that difficult ,they have a cable coming from the EV
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With our EV if we did a fast partial charge (50%) at a paid for charge point it would cost around £3.45. Most EV type cars would not run batteries down to zero and part charging is the norm. We would not be able to do a similar fast charge on a CAMC bollard which is just a 16 amp plug in via the van with a reduction in usage of the already inc electricity fee, in fact the cable would probably start to heat up if left on for long. It's an unsatisfactory situation and as before I'd recommend the C&CC where there are no extra fees.
CAMC EVs are charged £9. Hybrids etc are charged £2, obviously there is a difference in power draw but all users will lose power to their vans in the process. None of us can draw more than the 16amp supply.
It's possible to look up charging costs both at home and at charge points for all EVs and Hybrids, some cost more to charge some less. Try Zap maps for all the details, which are very useful for anyone considering any type of EV.
Energy prices will certainly be going up and we'll all be paying for that whatever our circumstances. I'm all for conserving energy usage, I don't like to see waste. But I would also like to see some sort of encouraging steps towards EV usage from CAMC. At present it's minimal and discouraging.
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