White Tailed Sea Eagles, IOW
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Although some would delight in ‘it’ being swept under the carpet the jury is not out yet.
There have been similar very successful reintroductions elsewhere in Europe. So why is England that different. Why shouldn’t they try to reintroduce them. That 260 + page document has Lots of evidence and information in it.
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Clearly not read the document then. Such birds, along with kites and ospreys are happily living in populated and urbanised countries around the world. Must admit that Norfolk, Lincolnshire, East Yorkshire, Cumbria and Northumberland sounded better introduction site to me. But guess what factors scuppered their consideration!
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This is reality in todays world. The green and peasant land, but in the background is the Trawsfynydd Nuclear Reactor. No problem to us locals, we just live with it and jobs created.
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"green and peasant land..."
Indeed!
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And many who are now Staycationers have realised what a green and pleasent land they are now discovering the UK is in many places, albeit highly populated in some areas👍👍
And spending their money in the more rural areas that are in need of it😜👌
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They were introduced to the IOW because it was felt that there would be a good supply of fish which wouldn't affect the local balance of supplies for the birds or people. But since these birds fly long distances and the IOW is close to such a big connurbation it isn't ideal (if anywhere is?!) However, these are wild birds and not all wild birds survive their environments for so many reasons I think it's reasonable to expect fatalities and Avian Flu has added to the mix recently.
Incidenatlly domestic chickens near us are still netted to prevent AF. So it's still a widespread problem for all bird types.
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That's a load of rubbish. There are large urban areas however there are huge areas of land that have very low population densities, Northumberland, much of Scotland, and dare I say it Central Wales, and much of it is unsuitable for use as arable land.
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All true Brue, avian flu is a possibility but I’m sure you will agree it’s worth trying to correct the damage caused by human intervention if possible though and give nature a helping hand. There have been notable successful reintroductions in similar settings else where in Europe and the findings of the case are yet to be published. I’d hope it isn’t down to so called ‘country folk’ not wanting them in ‘their’ backyard but the track record isn’t good with several proven incidents every year of deliberate poisoning, shooting and bludgeoning of raptors across the UK.
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I tend to be circumspect about these things Mickey, words like "bludgeoning" are emotive and don't represent the majority interest of caring for wildlife. If there is a problem I hope this will be investigated properly rather than surmised on here.
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I try to be circumspect too, Brue and I’m careful to repeatedly say in my posts that the folk involved in these atrocities are not representative all involved in game sports The ones I refer to have been found guilty and video evidence summited to trial showing a game keeper hitting a deliberately and illegally trapped raptor repeatedly over the head with a blunt implement lead to prosecution. Sorry if the word bludgeoning is unhelpful but that is was it is in my opinion. What saddens me is similar behaviours are regularly reported every year and this behaviour appears not to be reducing.
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Whichever way you cut the cake, the UK and world populations have increased dramatically over say the last 200 years. True wild places have diminished both through repopulation and recreational use. Times have changed, climate has changed, land use changed (I agree not necessary for the betterr in every case) and will continue to do so. Trying to go back to some utopia is nothing but an ego trip for those of us better off. Just like the rich can indulge in organic food but the poor just eat anything to survive, Just look at today, we see shortages now of fuel,wheat etc and instead of planting trees we will need to grow more cereals and yes perhaps increase ferlilizer and chemical usage.Thats reality. How long will it be before government come up with more intensive crop growings to feed us and the refugees coming from Eastern Europe. Just watch the "grant" schemes change from environmental to food production
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Most of us small private farmers are doing that quietly in our own way, ie small native tree planting ( see my acorn post), a few small ponds, nesting boxes etc. Its the same old age long problem of the Gentry, big business and City tycoons who abuse as they only chase profits. Likewise the eco warriors with books etc to sell that cause dissent.
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I am the first generation of my a side of our family who did not follow as a gamekeeper as I was born in Kensington in the war ,when my father with some of his brothers all gamekeepers came from Sandringham to help at Buck House
My Great Great Grandfather Was Gamekeeper in Wiltshire ,My Great Grandfather gamekeeper at Harewood House and my Grandfather at Sandringham
And listening to tales of the going on then I think they would be appalled at the way some country folk? these days treat wildlife
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Absolutely right JVB, I have no axe to grind with those who attempt to live in some harmony with nature, nor those who are ambivalent. It’s the ones who for selfish reasons act in cruel and destructive ways. Such barbaric action continues to happen with little sign of improvement.
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JVb Your ancestors like all those who worked on big estates were in reality white slaves. The gamekeepers did as they were told with no comebacks.They killed anything that was not "game" with gin traps and the like.Indiscriminate use of Strychnine,killing anything that touched the bait. If they refused not only did they lose their job but their home as well,with no welfare state to fall back on. It was in the Edwardian and Victorian times that the greatest destruction of wildlife took place. Today keeper are monitored with rural crime police and other bodies.Just see how many organisations are looking into the demise ofv he Sea Eagle now. Life was not like Downton Abbey or sanitised Tv wildlife programmes but brutal and difficult to survive for the ordinary person.
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Fisherman, thanks for hijacking this post!! 😖0 -
Sorry, Fisherman, but you tried to hijack the discussion as early as the 12th post, on the 17th Feb, which was removed, and then you continued with your tirade against the idea of rewilding. You could well have just ignored this thread and continued with your arguments in the appropriate post, or started your own one.
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Thanks for yet another inaccurate post from your very strange outlook on what you think did happen and as you like to think is a problem brought on by every body else but your type of backwards looking farmers that you seem to see in your lifestyle🤔
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Not White Tailed I know but these Goldens have been very successfully relocated to new areas despite the efforts of some objecters.
There will be some with a negative agenda who will argue against such reintroductions, mind!
Looks like there is a case for the reintroduction of the White Taileds in other areas of this island of ours! As for the goldens, a reintroduction into the Lakes could be a possibility, after all, the last one was a resident there only a few years ago! With a bit of help, may be, worth a go?
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Those introduced were freeborn from nests in the UK. We had one here in Midwales for years but died of old age in 2021. We could well see others as they naturally spread their teritories. Same as the spread of the Ospreys but different to a mass release of Sea Eagles on IOW.A lesson here me thinks.
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