White Tailed Sea Eagles, IOW
Don't know if any of you bidding enthusiasts follow Roy Dennis Wildlife Foundation but here is a report from it about the Sea Eagles released on the IOW in 2020, and also of the journeys of other recorded Sea Eagles. A most interesting read.
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A further update from Roy Dennis, including information of the proposed reintroduction of these glorious birds into East Anglia.
https://www.roydennis.org/category/latest-news/
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Due to Covid restrictions, and possibly Brexit, the first birds are likely to be released in 2022, so your butties are safe for a while yet.
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Perhaps the posts about the loss of a pair in Dorset should go on here.
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Why have they travelled so far? I expect those who decided to release them thought there was enough territory, food etc there. Doesnt seem as if though they bred succesfully hence forcing youngsters out. Could it be they were wrong and in todays age the food supply was not there to sustain reintroduction. Did the two die of starvation and not as elsewhere here hysterical calls they were shot by gamekeepers. Just putting the other side from someone who has not got his knowledge from sanitised TV programmes.
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Maybe give all fish eating Birds a better chance by banning fun fishing. After all fisherfolk just want to play, most don’t need fish to survive. Every fish taken for ‘fun’ could sustain an animal of bird that needs the fish for its very survival, now that truly would be sustainable in the most perfect ecological way possible👍🏻
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Another load of trollop. We fishermen looked after the Ospreys in Mid Wales long befire the RSPB turned them into a cash crop. Likewise the Scottish and English birds rely on stocked fisheries for their survival. We fishermen pay for their food through our fishing permits which is a lot more than the snipers here do.
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Why have they travelled so far? Because they can, they're big birds and they're capable of long distance flying but they also return to the IOW. This was the press release I read from last year >HERE<
Also read the RSPB web site about their conservation in Scotland etc. Unfortunately if you don't read up the details you can be tempted to make things up as you go along.
I believe the IOW was chosen as a good area for sea fishing, Bass and Grey Mullet are quoted. I don't think fishing by humans is going to affect supplies. However I do think the IOW is much too close to urban connurbations so I'm on the fence about that idea.
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Fish, have you considered just having a discussion rather than attacking & name calling, you don’t suffer infantile name calling to you🤷🏻♂️. If you struggle interacting with folk then just don’t interact👍🏻
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They do seem more inclined to wander than, say, Golden Eagles.
We were talking a local conservationist on the island of Usedom in North East Germany a few years ago as we watched 7 of these magnificent birds roosting in the same tree at the mouth of the estuary leading into the Baltic. We asked him if it was usual for so many to be seen accommodating each other and he told us that they are quite happy providing food supply is good and also supplied the information that he sees many Sea Eagles from far and wide. From further east and from Finland and also birds turned up from Denmark. So as Brue said they do it because they can. It doesn't take them long to wander a great distance.
We've actually seen them more than 100 miles south of Berlin on the River Spree and over fishing lakes. So they do breed inland there as well.
Personally, until they are well established in the Scottish Islands I would prefer for them not be introduced to places like the IOW. The south of England is too populated for them in my view.
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Here’s an interesting article, some light may be shed on the motive! Sad if correct and it possibly is by all accounts!
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On a similar subject.Report in Scotland says Capercaille will be extinct in 20 years. Reason,unable to raise chicks because of depradation mainly by foxes. The RSPB on the Abernethy estate were told that uncontroled foxes would do this 30 years ago, but no the desk,bound know alls ignored the warnings from gamekeepers and stalkers with a lifetime knowledge. Inaction now coming home to roost.
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The real reason for the demise of the Capercaillie is attributed to almost total deliberate destruction of habitat, climate change and the eradication of the higher order predators in the environments in which they once lived! More to the point who caused these imbalances? Now how can we put that right I wonder?
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Im afrao=id we cant.Like King Canute you cant stop the tide coming in.My biggest worry is we may make thing worse with the ill thought out race tp plant more trees, both of the wrong kind and in the wrong place. But hey Im not chasing grants and a wierd agenda.
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One of the main reasons given for the demise.iof many species of birds and animals in the UK was the dash for grants from farmers, when it was in the past decided a good way to expand the productivity of farms would be to grub out field hedges to make bigger areas to cultivate?
There was not a big outcry from "country farmers?"against the policy ,to save the wildlife
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That’s a bit defeatist, Fish. Thankfully there is lots we can do and there are many rewilding projects, big and small, up and down the length of our land which are making a difference. You don’t have to be a Canute, just mindful of the ways which are sympathetic to real nature rather than based on whims and greed. It can be done, we just need more resolve and to make more effort!
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All grant schemes are devised by governments,and yes often not for the wider benefit. Grubbing out hedges happened in the lush lowlands not in the rural parts. Likewise the vast planting of Sitka spruce in the 60/70's was a government scheme that only benefitted the tax rich.It was the one most destructive action taken against our wildlife. Now its being made worse as the huge harvesting machines churrn up the soil and peat releasing the " so called captured CO2". We are about to make the same mistake again as big city companies buy up farms to mass plant with more Sitka creating more deserts and of course grabbing the grants" to offset their carbon footprint". To the previous poster I take it thats OK becase its not farmers doing it.
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As stressed, real nature based projects! Oh, and there are some very understanding and forward thinking farmers/land owners out there who firmly believe and act in the very best interests of nature. Nothing in my opinion is okay if it is based on greed, spurious leisure activities which are damaging to wildlife or any activity detrimental to the natural and essential balance of our fauna and flora.
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Sorry Fish, I left off the most important sentence. Where on earth do you link Rewilding Projects with those odious monoculture creating grants. They are almost as bad as those barren grouse moors created in the past where many natural occurring species were eradicated and some still are persecuted. Don’t start me the spraying of toxic lead over such environment though!
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Where did you get that idea? Of course they were , funded by us tax payers at the whim of some government department probably with a vested interest. Likewise a few years later they come upvwith a scheme to replant them, again paid from taxes. It goes on and on with the land owners in the middle. Its always pen pushers or lobbied politicians who keep coming up with these schemes. Just like today the tree planting furore b.Does anyone know where these trees are coming from or which species to plant. I guess not but its good "sound bites".
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I can think of an agricultural equivalent of the term 'pen pushers' but I’m far too considerate and polite to use it. Have you never considered the impact of your impolite words, Fish?
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It's the way you use the words as well as the actual words themselves. Debate in a civil manner and people might see your point even if they don't agree with you.
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Don’t know anymore about that ‘smoking gun’ accusation but folk may find this interesting?
What fascinates me is that Denmark has an increasing number of these raptors with more than a 100 breeding pairs. These birds are cherished by the people of Denmark which is smaller than Yorkshire and Lincolnshire put together but here in the UK many raptors are persecuted, often deliberately eradicated by folk who only have there own interests at ‘heart’! A dreadful inditement on these few who profess to understand ‘the countryside’!
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Gone quiet now it seems it was not those nasty, farmers,gamekeepers and country folk who were responsible for the deaths. Could it be that the UK as a country has moved on,higher population, more urbanisation etc. that makes a mockery of the holy grail of reintroductions. Releasing tame birds does not work. As I previously said King Canute could not turn the tide back.
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