BioLPG... and Caravanning/ Motorhoming
Just read the article in the CAMC magazine with the idea that eventually the industry will change from traditional LPG to BioLPG by 2040. It will be a 'drop-in' replacement.... i.e. no change needed to existing installations... and it is a 'renewable energy source' with 90% carbon emission reduction.....
Now... unless I am missing something (which I very well could be....), could we see the re-emerging of LPG vehicles, which could well solve the problem of the restricted distance etc of electric vehicles. I get that 90% carbon emission reduction is not 100%, but with the additional problems we hear with regard to disposing of old batteries, I just wonder if BioLPG may have a future in powering vehicles?
David
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More likely to have an impact on heating and cooking than vehicles. Vehicles will either be electric or hydrogen powered depending on size. The current problems with hydrogen and batteries may well be solved by advances in battery technology and hydrogen production.
peedee
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I think it's unlikely to make any kind of major comeback beyond those areas that have already embraced it. It's a relatively low fuel density (by volume) and has a lower power output than petrol, so range on a tank is not huge. Converting an existing car is still an expensive process and does not offer any kind of change in tax or emissions status. It only replaces petrol, not diesel engines (so lower torque and power), and still emits NOx just like any other combustion engine, so is no good for CAZ areas. Infrastructure is arguably poorer than the EV charging infra (though streets ahead of the all but non-existent hydrogen network) Building new cars, you are better off going direct to EV which has both a cheaper and more efficient fuel source, and leveraging the gradual improvements in range and charging speed that are coming all the time.
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Range is not the issue for EVs; it’s cost. You can buy a Tesla and several other makes that have more range than you could ever use in a day. 10% of new cars sold in the last year were EVs. Advocates of other solutions - LPG, Hydrogen, Hybrids - have missed the boat. Still might need diesels as tow cars for a while though.
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Mmmm, I smell deja vu in the air, we’ve been here before-‘it’s the answer to our dreams, whoops it’s banned’☹️
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That’s 2 of us that see a major flaw in someone’s ‘cunning plan’🙄
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Bio or renewable is-in our lifetime it takes co2 out of the environment. Fossil fuel can only release co2 into the environment as its anything up to 250million years old. BioLPG is a mix of plant & fossil fuels. Yes its ‘better’ for the environment but its ‘Bio’ leader is to confuse as we see Bio as being positive & natural-it ain’t all of that but still better. BTW-its going to be more expensive🤷🏻♂️☹️
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Many of the "sales?"of EVs are company vehicles as CTrees is, there would need a breakdown of how many private buyers there were? , with the much higher prices of EVs to the I c u equivalent , also many vehicles these days are leased rather than bought in the first place
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Does it matter who owns what at the moment, you could say the same for all vehicles. But the real fact is the increasing capabilities of EVs. Bio fuels are a bit of a red herring, they are of limited use. The club, as in the OP, might be clutching at straws due to the reality of emissions from bio-fuels which seem to fluctuate according to what information is available. I've seen 80% mentioned which means 20% emissions. Meanwhile the caravan industry is still producing leviathan vans and vehicles which burn up carbon emitting fossil fuels by the bucket load....!
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I should also add a bit to DSBs mention of battery recycling which is factored into EV production, the batteries live on elsewhere, powering other products. Some go on to power up fuel court charge points. Worth reading the EDF link I gave about EVs and battery power etc.
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Until the price of EVs comes down to the levels of ICE engines vehicles that the vast majority of non company car owner buyers opt for and the infrastructure is in place to enable their daily use , it certainly would matter who buys them to make them a viable alternative
I have read the EDF marketing departments battery edit which doe only show what the up side , but none of the environmental downsides that are involved in the production of batteries
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Interesting to read everyone's thoughts....
My son and his family are vegans.... they buy 'Vegan Ham' and other 'meaty substitues' - they are certainly not meat, but retain the name as part of the description. Is it that BioLPG falls into this category of description?
David
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No DSB it most certainly doesn’t. BioLPG is added to the fossil fuel so it still retains planet unfriendly elements. Plant based meat substitutes have no animal products in it at all, I have tasted plant based ‘meat’ & it tastes just like meat from Animals without the cholesterol or the saturated fat.
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. If you look up biopropane and by products from waste you'll find the answers. Fossil fuels are decayed natural matter. Still produces carbon emissions but less.