New Towing Regulations

JillwithaJay
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edited October 2021 in Caravan & Motorhome Chat #1

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  • Tinwheeler
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    edited October 2021 #2

    We knew the proposal was on the table and it looks like it's now one step closer to becoming reality.

  • Navigateur
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    edited October 2021 #3

    It is now less clear whether or not a person driving on a provisional "B" licence can tow a trailer.

  • nelliethehooker
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    edited October 2021 #4

    Don't think that it will concern me in any way with my touring.

  • EmilysDad
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    edited October 2021 #5

    I'm glad I knew the gist of it before I read it .... the link contains a lot of legal-ese

  • LLM
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    edited October 2021 #6

    An idiots guide is provided by the Explanatory Notes where a link is also provided to an Explanatory Memorandum. 

    The change comes into force 15th November 2021, to be reviewed not later than three years thereafter. 

    My question is.  Prior to this change UK driving licences and the categories therein were aligned with those of the EU.  Once this divergence comes into force will those that hitherto had been unable to tow in the UK also be able to tow in the EU?   

  • cyberyacht
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    edited October 2021 #7

    Whilst amending these things, it might have been nice to increase the weight limit to 4000Kg from the current 3500Kg.

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  • JVB66
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    edited October 2021 #9

    Only if a flood is imminent cool

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  • EmilysDad
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    edited October 2021 #12

    Looks like it.

  • peedee
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    edited October 2021 #13

    I think the increase to 4250Kgms is on the cards for the "B" licence. When the licences were not in line with the EU it was never a problem driving over there. I don't think it was ever down to EU harmonsiation but to some other, possibly a Geneva convention.

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  • LLM
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    edited October 2021 #14

    That is one way of putting it.  But it could be said that those who have had the lessons and past their test should be somewhat more competent than those who have not.

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  • LLM
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    edited October 2021 #16

    For a number of reasons a great deal of work went into aligning the driving licences and categories across the EU.  I suspect that our changes will be accepted but there is no convention of which I am aware that makes it a certainty.  On the other hand it may reignite the need for UK licensed drivers to have IDP's.  To expand your example PD the Germans have been pressing for the basic licence to cover vehicles up to 4250kgs for about seven years but the EU in its wisdom has so far resisted the change.  

  • LLM
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    edited October 2021 #17

    On the other hand there must be many, and I can think of a few up here, that have no towing experience but will soon be able to drive a large outfit.  Nightmare! laughing

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  • peedee
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    edited October 2021 #19

    To expand your example PD the Germans have been pressing for the basic licence to cover vehicles up to 4250kgs for about seven years but the EU in its wisdom has so far resisted the change.

    Its alreaady been done in the UK to allow white van man to drive electric commerical vehicles.

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  • LLM
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    edited October 2021 #20

    Yes, and that is one of the arguments that the Germans have been using of late but so far no joy for either electric or conventual. 

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  • EmilysDad
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    edited October 2021 #22

    But the vast majority here didn't need to pass a further test to tow our outfits, we just hitched & went..... are we a 'nightmare'?

    I've had nightmares in cars driven solo ..... & they passed a test to drive.

  • JVB66
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    edited October 2021 #23

    And the solo car driver who has to get In .front at road islands as they cannot be behind any towed vehicles yell

  • redface
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    edited October 2021 #24

    What a load of 'gobbledy gook' or to put it another way 'shoe makers'.

    Why cannot it be put into plain English - after all that what I have been using for the past 80 years.

    Can Anyone translate it for me without writing a book?

    Thanks

  • LLM
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    edited October 2021 #25

    The Regulations amend the Motor Vehicles (Driving Licences) Regulations 1999.  If a person passes, or has passed, a driving test for a category B licence, that person will from the 15th Nov 2021 be entitled to drive a vehicle combination of a class included in category B + E without having to take a separate category B + E test.  Does that help?

  • obbernockle
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    edited October 2021 #26

    A UK driving licence issued after 15th November will show B+E if it is renewed for any reason (like asking for a replacement because yours has been lost). As far as anyone reading your licence is concerned, you have a licence with the appropriate class.

  • cyberyacht
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    edited October 2021 #27

    Yeah, but who tows with a camel? From my experience of being driven round Cairo in my daughter's Ford Explorer, the licence criteria must be fairly lax.

  • JVB66
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    edited October 2021 #28

    I can remember some years ago ,how many French vehicles had dents in them,  not surprised when watching their driving 

    One day we were waiting on a Railway station when a freight train loaded with new cars passed ,and one of our group suggested they were on the way to have the it seemed, obligatory dents installed before going to a showroomcool

     

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  • NutsyH
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    edited October 2021 #30

    Its still the same. Mostly because the French tend to only insure TPF &T. 

  • redface
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    edited October 2021 #31

    Thanks LLM.

    Why couldn't the govt. put it as simply as that?

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