C&CC closing sites
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Some free motorways you mean
Last time we were on a tour by coach in Germany the motorway we were on at one point the nearside lane was in a terrible state with undulating surface and tram lines ,where hgvs normally were restricted to
And we had an Italian driver who lived in Doncaster
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There is the risk of a double whammy next year. Not only will there be the removal of the VAT reduction there will also be inflationary pressures on wages which not only translates directly into staff costs but also in any external servicing costs. Even with the Club's tight management of costs they won't escape. The elephant in the room could well be energy costs which will also put pressure on the cost of a night on a Club site. I have already seen a post on a Facebook CL Group advocating CL owners to introduce metering as some of the nightly fees are not sustainable. Maybe additional site night costs will be more generally accepted if people see prices rising elsewhere? Unless these rising cost are just a blip given that a sizable percentage of Club customers are pensioners whose incomes are unlikely to keep up with inflation that could have a knock on impact.
David
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I wonder when the do-gooders will start banging their drums about caravanners using a lot of gas and producing CO2 in the atmosphere? They seem to already have the support of Calor at least in restricting the availability of portable cylinders of a size of use in leisure vehicles.
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You can’t be ripped off over fixed advertised prices that you were aware of before paying the price requested. The choice is yours, if you think it’s a rip off-don’t pay🤷🏻♂️. Simples👍🏻
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Well they will just have to trust us then but its funny over there its not unusual to have someone come and put the fuse in if you pay for electric and I am pretty sure they are not electricians so maybe you don't need a qualified person?
Perhaps on site upgrades some system should be put in place for this provision, not only good for the pocket but maybe helps the environment and keep the club costs down.
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I don’t disagree actually. I think that folks in this country will pay over the odds most of the time, rather than seek out better value. That’s why our housing market appears strange, why owners and providers of services can, if they choose, look to make huge profits, knowing that some will pay whatever price is put onto something. Same with so called privatised shareholder companies. The gullible British tax payer will mutter and mumble about rising costs, but never thinks to question the huge shareholder dividends paid out by failing companies. It’s an entrenched way of life now for the majority.
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Perhaps on site upgrades some system should be put in place for this provision, not only good for the pocket but maybe helps the environment and keep the club costs down.
Wether it helps the environment depends on what you replace it with. Although solar can be used for many things, it won’t support space / water heating. Therefore if you replace site EHU, which is increasingly generated by renewables, with LPG, I don’t see any particular environmental benefit.1 -
Most CAMC sites use LPG to provide the hot water, I believe, so whether it is the site or the individual in his/her own LV, there is no difference except that the user of LV facilities might be a bit more frugal.
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I would assume over time that will change. The government want gas boilers to be phased out as a source of home heating, to be replaced by more environmentally friendly alternatives. Surely similar will happen with future refurbishments and new sites.
Also of course you have omitted to consider the heating of the RV, which is likely to consume a significant amount of gas.
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That would be fine by me but I suspect more difficult to police? What would be interesting would be to see what value the Club put on a daily electrical connection?
David
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When it was an add cost, several of our friends told us that it was, even back then a problem with some "non users"? Who would do all sorts to save paying for the EHU although they would plug in when they expected not to be noticed,, , it is the same now with some EV and Hibrid owners ,it was the honest users as now who normally advised the site staff., or the late dog walking warden who knew the pitches that were not paying
On sites that had lockable bollar if busy some site staff would trip and then lock the bollard for the pitch, Very few now as the latest you need to access the trips when you plug into the EHU,
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The switching on/off for the bollard can be done at the time of booking using RF or Wifi controlled consumer units. It could probably even be made automatic on a well constructed computer system that would check whether electricity was paid for and switch accordingly. Just have to replace all the consumer units.
However, with the trend to more electrical devices in the new caravans it is questionable just how many people would want a free of EHU pitch. Personally, I would prefer the effort being put into providing 32 ampere connections. That is, after all, what the outlet sockets are rated for, though I suspect the cabling all the way back to the grid is not.
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Eggs and basket come to mind...relying on a single fuel to power everything from cars to trains, heating to refrigeration etc....
currently a Combi can be specified to run on electric or gas or diesel depending on one's requirements.
it does seem mad that club campers that are able aren't being encouraged to reduce their electric usage and keep site (and pitch) costs down.
I understand the heating issue highlighted by Steve, but during the summer there's plenty of scope to have a non EHU pitch.
...and it seems that the 'we can't do this because....' scenarios were exactly the benefits we would get by shrugging off the myriad EU red tape regulations...
even the counties that are still part of the system don't have a problem in being able to offer the EHU power/payment Variations described by AD above.
why can't we 'just do it'?
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