C&CC closing sites
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Thanks for confirming my point.
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Personally, from some remarks I've read both here and on other social media platforms, the club would do well to support its own site staff. Allegedly, when people arrive at 10.30 am and phone to complain to HO that the site staff won't let them in, only to find that HO instruct the site staff to let them in.
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How do you know that club sites are run on a shoestring? I see well maintained large sites with multiple sets of wardens in most cases, good facilities and up to date equipment?
But in any case it has often been pointed out that it is pointless comparing prices and/or economics with the UK and other countries. I might as well ask why Costa charges two/three times the prices for a (inferior in my view) coffee here? One just has to accept it, or not pay.
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How much on sites in other countries is allowed to be carried out by "unqualified?" staff ,where in this country a "certificate of competence "is needed hence much is now carried out by outsourcing work to companies that do have the staff, at how much per annum?,and then of course the WTD has resulted in more site staff to cover the time required to operate the site which Is so much resulted in better working condition s for site staff
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It’s possible the Club might have a bit of thinking to do for the future. They have relied historically on recruiting Site Staff from the Membership, and site staff are often, but not exclusively, early retirees looking for a change of direction, and time spent working in nice places. They haven’t really had to offer premium wages, but that might just be changing a little bit now. The Club is like many other big organisations, it’s front of house workers, those who interact daily with the public can make or break member visits, and this should be reflected in rates of pay. Commitment works both ways.
Then there is HQ. Situated in the most expensive area to live and work, just how many staff are now in there, given that a great deal of staff are reputed to be working from home? Is East Grinstead (the building) paying its way, or would Members Fees be better spent on the Sites? Many other institutions, not least the BBC and Channel Four, have looked at alternative offices in lower priced areas of the country. There are some huge six figure salaries now in East Grinstead with a great deal to mull over. I am not exactly sure what the ratio of Site staff to HQ staff is within the Club, but I have absolutely no doubts that the wage/salary allocations to each will be vastly different. Even taking away the Director level salaries. Lots and lots of thinking🤔1 -
Every other (really) shop and hotel in the lakes had a 'we hiring now' notice.
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More to do with a National mentality towards language learning. We Brits are very poor, we expect others to learn our language. Also, these over there sites are very frequently family operations, not a network like the club. Family run businesses often, even here in GB, can have very ‘different’ working and labour practices.
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With the massive boom in campervan/MH purchases and, reputedly, not a pitch to be found in the UK, surely the signs should read "now hiring, top salaries paid"?
at least you might get some applicants...
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Our town is really struggling with labour supply, particularly the service industry. I also note super markets less well stocked now and one I went into today actually apologising over the tannoy for stock depletion. Nothing to do with panic buying. What is the world coming to?
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I can assure you the Club HQ is not that grand!!! Its all very well suggesting that the HQ would be cheaper in another part of the country but many of the staff at East Grinstead have years of experience that would be lost if they transferred to a cheaper part of the country. I doubt the Club have anywhere near the budget of the BBC!!! I think also you underestimate the cost of actually moving which in the end would come down to what the members pay either in the way of subscriptions or campsites. I would be disappointed if there were nor £100,000 plus salaries for some members of Club management. The market rate is defined by the level of salaries that the people of similar capabilities would earn elsewhere.
David
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You might get applicants but what is a top salary? Is it 10% more than the average for that job? 20%?
Can any business afford to pay more than the going rate?
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What will be the interesting thing is who will be instrumental in that pull up? The ‘labour force’ or the ‘employers’. Maybe that worm 🪱 is turning! I think we have to realise it is going to be a fundamental change we will be forced to accept. We live in interesting times.
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Thanks👍🏻
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Surely it is pretty obvious? The Club provide a pitch, water and waste, electricity and toilet block. That surely is fairly minimalist? OK we have a few sites that go beyond this with restaurants and swimming pools but they are very much the exception. On the other hand in Europe the latter is fairly common place at prices, certainly out if season much lower that what the Club charge. Now there is nothing wrong with the way the Club do things as many seem to quite like it but clearly all sites and organisations have their own way of doing things. There is no right or wrong way of doing things and its all swings and roundabouts as you have to pay for a crossing to get to Europe and there is also the insurance so by the time you add all that the costs probable balance out?
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I wonder if you have replied to the right poster and/or even read my post as I'm struggling to see how your answer relates in any way to mine??
You are saying it pretty obvious that the club runs its site on a shoestring? I hardly think so personally. but perhaps you could suggest how it? I've just come back from a very large multiple set of wardens sites, two large and refurbished shower blocks with disabled, toddler, and family rooms, electric tractors, games rooms, play area, hardly minimalist at all I would say? Most club sites are like this?
Why you've gone on about swing and roundabouts of costs touring over there I have no idea at all? I never mentioned touring? I merely said that it is pointless to compare prices here and over there. I pay £3/4/5 for a costa coffee and 1.5 euros for the same in Italy. I also never mentioned any right or wrong way either yet you have brought this up as if I did?
As I said it is pointless to compare prices from the UK to Europe, pay up or not, simple really.
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Indeed no doubt, but I did ask you how you thought club sites were run on a shoestring and nothing to do with touring?
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DK, they won’t lose that experience, they are able to work from home. That’s the point I was suggesting. The latest batch of HQ job vacancies mention remote working for a percentage of the time. I was just mulling over the need for an office based in an expensive area, that is all, merely that the world of work is evolving. I don’t disagree either that good remunerative salaries are needed to attract quality director level staff.
However, the nuts and bolts that hold together what the Members join for are of equal importance, and right now, some of those nuts and bolts are going missing, hence Sites closing early and staff shortages. Both Club’s by the sounds of it.
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The traditional Club style staffing model - middle aged couples buying a caravan big enough to live in while they work both together at a campsite for months at a time is unique in my experience. I have never seen it in any other country, and quite rarely here in the UK. That’s not how other sites are staffed.
I have seen sites staffed by local people living off site, sites where receptionists are daily staff like the ones employed by other businesses, sites which bring in contractors for cleaning and grounds maintenance, sites with staff houses, sites with no overnight resident staff, sites which employ single people not just couples. and sites with back up from students in peak season. Every other staffing model is out there on other sites.
Couples with £40,000 plus to spend are buying Motorhomes these days - often panel van conversions - good for touring but not to live in on a site for long periods while they work as wardens, especially now that sites are open for ever longer seasons. Bring your own caravan to live in is not going to be attractive for much longer.
I reckon the two Clubs both need a big re think on how their sites will in future be staffed. The traditional warden model might be on its way out.
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I have seen sites staffed by local people living off site, sites where receptionists are daily staff like the ones employed by other businesses, sites which bring in contractors for cleaning and grounds maintenance, sites with staff houses, sites with no overnight resident staff, sites which employ single people not just couples. and sites with back up from students in peak season. Every other staffing model is out there on other sites
Indeed and the common denominator is that these staff go off site, while wardens stay on site. Is there a difference? Well I would say yes. If there is a a problem (you mentioned these happened in an earlier post), if there is an issue on site with anything like the toilets have not been cleaned properly, then the wardens have no where to run, it is their site, their responsibility, no one to blame but themselves, no one to pass on the buck or take the flack.
sites with staff houses yes the club has those too btw!
Also wardens are members of the club, they are also experienced caravaners or motorhomers, they can often help with those problems that can crop up with an outfit. Would a receptionist/cleaner just brought in for a shift have the necessary experience?
What have you got against couples working anyway?
Is is that rare? 10% of sites in the UK are club sites, is 10% rare?
I reckon the two Clubs both need a big re think on how their sites will in future be staffed. The traditional warden model might be on its way out.
Could you explain why?
And again why always so bothered , you state you don't use club sites at all?
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? thats not how it seems with the replies from some areas of england
