Diesel & petrol alternatives? Your thoughts please
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Kennexton. I understand what you are saying. I tried to explain way back on this thread that EV batteries can be re-used so this has been factored in. The plan is to produce further energy from them. At present renewables produce the energy for charge points etc. We are running on renewables for much longer periods. There is a big change over going on.
There are indeed coal stocks, my family have been involved with test drilling and coal by products in the past. I think the UK did well with coal but we have to move on to clean renewables now. It doesn't seem to be a quick fix as people are still sceptical and I remember the persuasive "green" switch to diesel!
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An interesting article on 'What happens to all the dead batteries' and the estimated quoted figure of 5% recycling, along with how energy intensive the recycling is.
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Having brought a new diesel car in 2019 (4x4) I am very pleased with it 55mpg solo on run 28mpg towing more so because dealers keep emailing me to buy my car as they have waiting list of people wanting to buy cars like mine They cannot be brought new anymore Having read reports of people with hybrid cars giving very poor towing returns I for one will stay with my diesel Just a thought energy companies struggle at peak times to keep electricity supply going when we get home from work & turn cooker on for our tea what happens when we arrive home plug car in to recharge then turn cooker on does it all go bang so we have no tea & no charged car???
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My thoughts are nil because it will not happen at the speed the government want it to. it will be a long time off before compulsory none petrol and diesel cars are banned . so everyone needs to calm down and stop being panicked into buying high priced alternatives.
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Having brought a new diesel car in 2019 (4x4) I am very pleased with it 55mpg solo on run 28mpg towing more so because dealers keep emailing me to buy my car as they have waiting list of people wanting to buy cars like mine They cannot be brought new anymore Having read reports of people with hybrid cars giving very poor towing returns I for one will stay with my diesel.
I never had an issue towing my Bailey Unicorn Vigo with my PHEV (Volvo V60 D6). It also managed about 30mpg towing, and is currently at about 70mpg solo. It is basically like towing with an efficient diesel, with a very very efficient fossil car when solo.
Better still, I now tow with my BEV, which uses about 32kWh / 100miles solo and 62kWh / 100miles towing. That gives me a towing range of 125 miles full to empty or 240 miles solo at a cost of £4.
Just a thought energy companies struggle at peak times to keep electricity supply going when we get home from work & turn cooker on for our tea what happens when we arrive home plug car in to recharge then turn cooker on does it all go bang so we have no tea & no charged car???
Most EV or PHEV owners don't charge when they get home, they charge overnight when peak grid usage has calmed down and it's MUCH cheaper to do so. I charge my PHEV and now EV between 00:30am and 04:30 am when it costs 5p per kWh instead of 13p per kWh. The electricity company knows that peak is bad, and incentivise me to avoid it. Better yet, some EV cars today (and in future all) will allow you to take a little energy out of the battery to use when demand is at its peak, and return it to the grid, or use it is in your home, then recharge later on. I could run the electric oven (16Amps, the most powerful item at home) flat out for an hour for the exchange of 10 miles range, which I could replenish in 30 mins later that night, and be better off by the tune of about 35 to 40 pence.
Managing such an exercise on a national scale means we would need less expensive peak power and be supported by a wider base of renewables with extensive network attached storage.
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This is obviously stating the obvious Towing with electric cars
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Comes up with "bad request" for me, ED
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That guy who has a Polestar as a tow car reckons different he said it tows well-who to believe someone who owns an EV & has towed with it or a dodgy non working link🤷🏻♂️🤔, mmmm a difficult one😂
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I don’t own one ED, I read & follow those that do-they seem happy👍🏻🙂
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It don’t help if it don’t work🤷🏻♂️😞
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Here's the LINK (I have put this on previously.)
Worth a read if you want to know more about EVs etc. which ones can tow. which ones can't. We're two years into this thread, progress is showing in the number of phevs being bought.
OH has been looking into hydrogen but the running costs show no savings.
If we had a caravan we'd definitely try a PHEV, they are very economical for local driving and have the advantage of towing capabilities at a more reasonable initial purchase cost.
Our EV still hasn't received homologation approval so we can't even tow our trailer but it has been incredibly cheap to run as a car, the fuel costs are minimal. So, an expensive outlay four years ago but very little after that.
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This is basically the article I saw the other day .... https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/1454043/electric-cars-towing-caravan-motorhomes-safety
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My nephew has a 5 months old, all electric, Jaguar iPace but there currently isn't any pace in it. It won't charge up. A specialist from Jaguar has been out to try to sort it out but, apparently, he can't. It is something to do with the battery charger within the car and will have to go in to a specialist workshop to sort it out , " . . . but it isn't a quick job. The car has to be taken to pieces!". My nephew has been looking online and has found that this is not an unusual problem. So much for a car costing in excess of £70,000 !!
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I know the situation regarding towing is still ongoing, but this was quite an interesting experiment shown on the BBC web site. We often find with our EV that we push it to the limits, we have to watch the computer screen and work out how to get the best out of the car. It requires quite a bit of thinking on some occasions, turning things off and on. This is something that drivers of fossil fuel vehicles might find challenging at first as they change over to electric. I also notice there has been a call for more charge points at services and they are certainly needed. Maybe the caravan industry could start lobbying for better drive through designs. The present ones are totally impracticable.
Here's the BBC LINK, the video is worth a look.
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If you have got time >this 30 minute video< is interesting. JCB have developed an ICE fueled by hydrogen because electric power for many of their vehicles is not practical. Their technology could well be applied to commercial vehicles and even tow cars!
peedee
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They say the same about Tesla vehicles-they’re super expensive to fix due to the complete interconnection🤷🏻♂️
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‘Massless energy battery/storage’, this is a total game changer. Everything we thought EV’s failed at ME battery technology will supply, expected to actually make headway within the next few years👍🏻
Total genius.
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Best wait until it actually appears before you attack it eh?👍🏻. These things need to be tried & tested to actually fully understand them. I think the one thing that’s guaranteed the age of the petrol head is over, it is on its last legs.
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Pssst-it’s new technology. . .Not many know the full facts🤷🏻♂️. Forgive me for getting excited about the next step in saving our only home-Planet Earth. I’ve never had you down as someone who rails against technological advancement PD, Luddite never ever entered my mind with you☹️
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Surely it is energy density per KG that would be the issue. I would have thought it is not beyond the wit of man to design "current tech" batteries that have a structural support element to them to offset the weight penalty. Speaking as a retired 'pen-pusher' rather than an engineer.
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It was something I found earlier .... basically said electric cars werent cut out for towing ... I can't find it now 
