8 outfits on CL site
Feeling rather annoyed and let down by the CL we are currently on.
We have had this booked since the begining of the year, we came here last year and loved it so wanted to return again.
When we arrived we were the 6th unit, one caravan is not occupied at the moment and looks as if its been here awhile.
Since our arrival 2 more units have arrived both MHs.
What to do?
Do we speak to the owner, do we report it. What is the right thing to do.
No one is compromised on space as there is plenty of room, its all tiered and we all have a tier to ourselves except the chap behind us.
Each tier has a gravel area that is surrounded by grass, its up to you how you pitch.
The chap behind in a small camper chose to go on the grass at the far end of his tier leaving the gravel area free. The latest unit MH is now pitched on that gravel area.
Should I take photos as proof, might feel awkward doing that though.
Don't really want to fall out with the owner as he's a great chap but surely this isn't right.
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Best thing is to pass on the details to the CL team, people on here might demand to know which site you're on but I think a photo and details sent privately to CAMC is the best way forward? Sorry to hear things aren't the same this time round, must be disappointing.
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The times a review/post has been written about the same subject
but never reported , ,AAs posted by others who use CLs on a regular basis the type of behavior could if not brought to the clubs attention, can bring the CL networks Government concession to the club to an end
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Why not contact CL Maddie?
Only you know the feasibility of taking photos, TG, but they might help.
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I’ve never heard of permissible exceptions to the 5 van rule but I’m sure Maddie will know so she’s not likely to be fobbed off with a tale.
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Be happy, Tammy. Chat to the neighbours. You all have plenty of room. Invite the others round for a drink. They might be nice people. Why run to complain to the teacher. Have a good holiday. x
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Hi Everyone thanks for your thoughts.
Decided that the first thing I should do is speak to the owner.
It is all ok, in fact he himself has been in touch with the club. It seems he has been put in an awkward position by the ferries going and coming from Ireland. Lots of them are being rescheduled at short notice leaving travellers having to try and find a site at short notice. Some have had to stay an extra night.
The owner has been advised by the club that given he has sufficient space to help out then he should do so and a note has been made.
All is well as 2 of them are going in the morning on the ferry.
The owner was very understanding, as I said he is a lovely chap and the CL is rather nice.
Thanks once again for your thoughts, we don't want to see these CLs close.
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There you go then, no problem.
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TG - if you are happy with the situation then all is well. Don't complain.
I have come across situations of a similar nature before and found that with 1 maybe 2 days the situation is resolved by natural movement of folk coming and going.
Indeed some Cls have an overflow area where extra numbers may be accommodated and I have been pleased to be allocated such a pitch where it helps my overall travel plans.
Be grateful that Cls exist and are less regimented than club sites and more often than not you can set up any which way you want with plenty of elbow room.
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TG - whereas I would normally be like you - annoyed - at coming across this, I am coming round to the view that we probably have to accept it this year. There is a shortage of space and high demand for pitches and part of me is sympathising with the owners for making the most of the situation after having being closed - and therefore no income - for such a long time.
We were recently on our favourite CS where the owner is normally a stickler for the rules - it's a site with over 2 acres and therefore loads of room. One night, there were 8 units on site and since I know him very well, I asked him about it and he told me that the C&CC were being a bit more 'relaxed' about the situation, this year - especially in view of the fact that pop-up sites were being permitted for up to 56 days without having to apply for planning permission.
Whilst they are technically breaching the terms of their exemption from planning requirements, we are in unusual times and I think things will settle down again before too long - hopefully.
I have to say we met some lovely people whilst staying there and had a great time and because of the size of the site didn't feel in the slightest bit 'crowded in'.
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Nothing Local authority likes more than "control". With Cl & Cs they have none. Once a planning application is submitted they can stipulate access conditions, landscaping etc. They also have the ability to make the site a separate rating unit hence more income. As most small applications are for 10/12 units and Cs is seen as 15 no contest. So much so that the applications dont go before full planning committees but granted under devolved powers to the planning officer even in Nat Park.
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On the last 2 CLs that we've been to there have been up to six outfits on each for some of the seven days that we were on each of them. This was of no concern to me as there was ample room on both. At the last CL the spacing between units was at least double that one finds on a main site. My thoughts are that in view of not being able to go overseas, coupled with the reported vast increase in the number of caravans and motorhomes requiring pitches this year that there is an unofficial relaxation on maximum numbers. If there is adequate space on a CL I have no problem with this if the increase is limited to a maximum of 6 or 7 outfits - even longer term.
Whether this has anything to do with possible forward planning by the CaMC
but has anyone else noticed that on the new logo CL site signs there is no maximum number of outfits shown, just that the CL is for members only. On the old logo signs it stated 5 units only. 1 -
Hi Tammygirl,
Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. There are no circumstances where we can allow a site to have more than 5 units on the CL site.
The 5 pitch rule is one of the conditions the Club has to follow to allow us to be able to Certificate CL sites. Consistent rule breaks could put our exemption at risk and we therefore take these rule breaks very seriously.
Unfortunately with such a large number of CL sites and a small admin team it is difficult for us to monitor these rule breaks with out the help of members reporting them to us.
Please could I ask that you email clresponse@camc.com so we can investigate this? Please note all reports of sites not following the CL rules are confidential.
Thank You
Maddie
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I would let sleeping dogs lie…
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I think not for the very reasons Maddie stated.
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so the club investigates .... slaps wrists of owner for his misdemeanour .... owner says sod it (or similar) & closes CL .... Tammygirl (& others) loses one of her favoured sites. Or owner makes his CL into a commercial site.
Did anyone win?
A CL that we use has a specific CL field. A few years back we went & it was obvious one caravan hadn't moved from there in a while but there was still loads of room for the rest of the other 5 units. Across his lane, he had his permanently sited caravans (maybe a dozen) in a different field. And in yet another field he had his 'camping field', but as this one had nicer views he allowed you to use it instead of his CL field. Maybe he was stretching the rules a little 🤷♂️ but would we go back? Of course we would. And while everyone is happy why would anyone need to contact the club to ask if any rules were being stretched?
AN Other CL was obviously taking liberties by stating that half the caravans in his 'field/yard' belonged to his daughter's CL .... we just wouldn't go back.
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+1, I stayed on one(when a member) that had 9 situated in a small woodland, one static had made a garden too😂. It was a beaut place-£18 a day & well worth every penny. I was not inconvenienced.
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It's a dilemma that many of us face, I'm sure. We go to a CL because of many attributes it has to offer, not specifically because it only has five caravans / MHs. Do we shop the owners if we find there are 6 units there if there is plenty of room and thereby risk not being able to go there again because they have closed the CL? I guess the answer is probably not even though we know the owners are breaking the rules. I'd be far more likely to report a CL if there was dangerous electric hook ups or the loo emptying point was in a filthy, dangerous state. (I once stayed at a CL in Dorset. When we asked where we emptied the loo we were told, "just pour it on the muck heap". We left the next day).
With the unprecedented demand for pitches this year can anyone blame a CL owner for stretching the rules a little bit? Land owners can now allow camping on any of their fields for up to 56 days this year. I doubt there is any limit placed on the number of tents / caravan / MHs that they are allowed to accommodate. And some are really ripping off their clients. We saw a campsite near Whitby which appeared to be a very un-level field and with converted shipping containers for the loos. There didn't appear to be any electric available. To stop on this field campers were being charged £25.00 per night - and there were a lot of units using the field. Some out of desperation to find somewhere to stay?
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Maddie
I had a situation on my CL last year, If view of your official reply I wonder what you would have advised me to do. Visitor due to leave next day with one arriving in the afternoon , Visitor is packing up ready to leave in the morning, visitor feels unwell , wife takes him to doctors, and then to an A&E dept, he spends 3 days in hospital. I had 2 nights with 6 on site, I was happy with that, also took wife to visit husband , should I have insisted she leave , as per the rules, or should I offer to help out in what was a very distressing time for his partner. As an aside all the others on site agreed with my action, and also helped her whilst she was there by herself.
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For me it depends on mitigating situation. At least 435 years ago I arrived at a CC site in late afternoon to find that the pitches were not available due to heavy rain damage. No mobiles then to contact arrivals. It was still raining heavily and the warden contacted a nearby CL who put up 3 outfits on his stable yard.
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I certainly wouldn't be critical of the action you took and I think any repercussions would be very harsh in the circumstances. Anyone else on your CL at the time, assuming they knew the circumstances, are unlikely to complain and hopefully they would have sympathy for your action. However I don't think you could expect the Club to offer advise other than remind you of the rules. As Maddie explains the whole system is at risk if its seen to being misused however well intentioned. It is a case of being best the Club don't know!!!!
David
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