2020 Club Accounts

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edited July 2021 in Club Products & Services #1

These have now been lodged with Compainies House. The Club lost £10m in operating the network during the year of COVID's arrival. I had thought it would be higher so I think not too bad an outcome but there is nothing to compare it with yet?  Interestingly this year I note an energy consumption report was included, something I have not noticed before so I assume this to be a new requirement. Electricity consumption was 30 million Kwh in a year when sites were closed for some months!

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  • SeasideBill
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    edited July 2021 #2

    That’s enough to power a town of 8000+ people. I wonder what it would be in a normal year plus when vehicles are mostly electric?

    Perhaps CMC should set some energy reduction targets and members encouraged to do likewise?

  • JVB66
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    edited July 2021 #3

    Some sites were closed others were "sheltering" members , and even when closed certain equipment still needs power and EGH was not closed winksurprised

  • brue
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    edited July 2021 #4

    Sounds like a lot of energy wastage.

  • cyberyacht
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    edited July 2021 #5

    It's all those awning fan heaters. wink

  • peedee
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    edited July 2021 #6

    You can find the full report >here<, The energy report is page 7.Note typical electricity usage per year is circa 38 million Kwh.

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  • SteveL
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    edited July 2021 #7

    30 million KW does not sound that excessive, if it includes absolutely everything including HQ and possibly a payment to those working from home for electricity use.

    Just looking at pitches alone, if I have calculated correctly, the figure is:-

    180 or so sites at say an average of 80 pitches equals 14400 pitches. If only 80% occupation, which is possibly conservative for last year that comes down to 11520. The sites were open for about a third of the year so that would equate to 120 nights. Therefore a total of 1382400 pitch nights. That equal about 22 kw hours a pitch.

    On top of that there is electricity for umpteen other uses, toilet blocks, wardens, site offices, lighting etc.

    I am not saying it could not be improved but possibly not as bad as it looks.

    Also don’t forget a lot of water would have been heated with electric last year, rather than gas in the facilities blocks.

  • SeasideBill
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    edited July 2021 #8

    Ok, £38m is the energy bill for a town with a population in excess of 10m - that’s 3700 average kWh hours per home / 365 days = approx 10kWh per day per home. So, on a daily basis, each pitch is consuming (directly & indirectly) about twice as much electricity as a average uk home.

     

  • peedee
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    edited July 2021 #9

    Well, at 12p per Kwh, it equates well to the circa £4 million that I recall the Club said it was costing p.a. There is no real evidence of what the Club is doing to minimise consumption.

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  • SteveL
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    edited July 2021 #10

    You missed my point SB. Each pitch is not using 20kw. That figure is if all the 30 million Kw hours was divided by possible pitch nights. A lot will be used at HQ, toilet blocks, reception, wardens accommodation, lighting etc. I’m not sure how folk can use it indirectly, they don’t have any say in the matter. Plus as I mentioned last year a large proportion were using their own facilities, therefore a lot more water than normal would have been heated by electricity. I certainly know we did.

  • SeasideBill
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    edited July 2021 #11

    Correction - my previous post should have read population of 10k, not 10m. Whoops!

  • SeasideBill
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    edited July 2021 #12

    that’s why I said ‘directly and indirectly’. It all contributes, you can’t operate the pitches without the indirect costs, but savings are achievable in both cases, some through the actions of CMC and some through the behaviour of people like us. If folks are using their own facilities they aren’t using the Club’s so doesn’t mean costs in that scenario are proportionally higher.

  • SteveL
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    I agree nothing to do with costs, but it might mean that electricity usage would be up and gas down, as water in facilities blocks is primarily heated by gas.

    I suppose based on your figures it would be fair in most cases to deduct 10K a pitch night, as folk wouldn’t be using it at home.

    As I said above, I’m not saying improvements can’t be made, just that things aren’t as bad as is being portrayed.

  • SeasideBill
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    edited July 2021 #14

    Yes, there is a net saving as less electricity is being used at home during the householders absence, but it’s obviously invisible on CMC accounts. TBH I’m not sure if in the circumstances 20kWh is good or bad, but it does seem a lot.

  • cyberyacht
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    edited July 2021 #15

    With an increasing number of LV's being self-sufficient in energy - solar, lithium, refillable gas etc. perhaps CAMC should, like C&CC offer a choice of EHU or non-EHU.

  • JVB66
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    edited July 2021 #16

    Are you suggesting more pitches on already crowded? sites or removing the ehu from some pitches?

  • peedee
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    edited July 2021 #17

    I think you know the solution I would advocate JVB.

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  • JVB66
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    edited July 2021 #18

    You mean like sensor in the toilet blocks and most member used areas to save, other savings are down to members being more frugal and without the huge costs of fitting meters and their  then the annual costs of calibrating there is unless you have a any better ideas not much else can be done

  • SteveL
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    edited July 2021 #19

    Particularly if only stopping for one / two nights, non EHU would be an option we would consider. Our solar managed fine for our needs on Aires over there.  I would want it on Hardstanding though.😀

    Not sure about how green it is though. A fair bit of electric is generated by renewables, my LPG isn’t.🤔

  • JVB66
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    edited July 2021 #20

     Tell me what you would do?

  • peedee
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    edited July 2021 #21

    Where do you get this need to calibrate electricity meters from JVB. My house hold meter is never calibrated once installed so why is there requirement to calibrate those used elsewhere and where is there a binding statement that this must be done?.

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  • DavidKlyne
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    edited July 2021 #22

    Peedee

    When I follow your link this is all I get:- 

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  • peedee
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    edited July 2021 #23

    Hmmm.... it was ok yesterday but not today????? I will see if I can post a new link.

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  • JVB66
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    edited July 2021 #24

    Your house does not need to be accurate to sell electricity ,it is the same with fuel pumps at garages

  • peedee
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    edited July 2021 #25

     Try this link David and download the PDF file lodged on the 29th June 2021.

    >Companies House<

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  • peedee
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    edited July 2021 #26

    I'm not selling, I am buying the same as I would on a pitch or an EV charging point. Where is the statement that this is necessary?

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  • Cornersteady
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    edited July 2021 #27

    I don't see the club going over to meters, not anytime soon, if ever.

    Firstly does any other large campsite provider have meters? Will the club risk losing possible customers?

    Secondly the cost of installing meters, I can't remember what the figure was the last time but to install a meter for each pitch on 200+ sites would be considerable and that cost cannot be got back. Not when it lost £10m?

    If the usual rate was 38 and now 30 whatever units then really not too bad as said by Steve. 

    I've been to many holiday cottages and AirB&Bs ,recently (some with electric outdoor heaters) and none of them had metered fuel costs so why should the club have it just because it's a campsite I have no idea? 

     

  • JVB66
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    edited July 2021 #28

    Any metered service  that sells direct to the public has to have calibrated meters , not aware that gas or electric companies work it

     

     

  • DavidKlyne
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    edited July 2021 #29

    Thanks Peedee

    I have downloaded the PDF so I can read offline.

    I know electricity usage has been mention but I thought it interesting how much gas was used, just over half of the electricity used. Will the gas, at some stage in the future be replaced by electricity or will heat pumps be enough to service the average toilet block, probably will require a bit of both?

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  • brue
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    edited July 2021 #30

    I wondered the same too David, thinking about solar energy too.

  • peedee
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    edited July 2021 #31

    Any metered service that sells direct to the public has to have calibrated meters

    But you have still not pointed out where that is a stated requirement.

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