Speeding Survey
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Well, David, you think the circular type of site road encourages speeding but both Gray and Steve have pointed the finger at long straight site roads.
Personally, I think bends are more likely to slow drivers down especially when the occasional bush, post or white stone borders a bend.
Out of interest, how would you design out incentives to behaviour as surely any site road if built to accommodate large LVs will also lend itself to breaking the site speed limit particularly in a solo car? Perhaps you don’t mean actual site design but incentives to behaviour of the carrot and stick approach in terms of threat to continued membership or future bookings?
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No, I think you're on the wrong track (pun intended) here, it's a very simple concept to grasp and one that we all have to abide by when driving, and the shape of the road is simply irrelevant and cannot be a defence.
While I agree and it is well documented that judging speed (or acceleration, height, roll, pitch, yaw...) is intrinsically difficult for humans there is a device in every car that helps, all one has to do is know the speed limit on the sign look at that device and compare and keep within that limit. It is really that simple. One simple instrument to look at and make sense of. Easy, you should try it with six!
Anything else is just criminal, dangerous or careless and cannot be excused or condoned.
As I said driver error, lapse of concentration, loss of situational awareness... perhaps, but really saying that a particular site layout is either an excuse or leads to it is, in my view doesn't make sense..
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or losing your life over it? Remember there was a tragic accident on a campsite just within the last few weeks.
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I'll plead the fifth
But that is not my point HD, of course lapses of concentration happen to all drivers at some point.
The point I am trying to make is that AD has posted saying that the circular layout on club sites makes speeding happen or more likely to happen. All I am saying is that this, in my view is not a defence at all. It is either driver error or not thinking/caring about the safety of others, or the rules don't to apply them?
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It was discussed in a thread in May. You can google the details.
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I hope JK will forgive me for posting his words from that thread but it was well liked and really makes a very good point for this thread.
Evening
It doesn't really matter about the details of this horrible incident. The fact is we should all be aware at all times while on site, especially when driving. Most sites be they club or otherwise share the same roads with pedestrians, cyclists and traffic. The club operates a 5mph system, ok that's abused quite often, but the system is in place for everyone's safety. Kids don't need to have road sense, they're on their holidays, whereas drivers, cyclists etc do. Be aware folks, think of others.
JK
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Harry, as you can imagine, the incident featured heavily on our local news at the time.
My condolences go to your neighbours.
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+1
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But how would the race for the 'best' pitch be held if you were not able to drive around the site?
And a layout like that would require caravaners to able to reverse .... unless pitches were allocated .... and it appears that many can't/won't.2 -
What high road? (is that a pun?) Is it a high road to advise people not to speed? And to say that site layout is not a factor in speeding in my view?
And again even if I am, all I'm advocating is sticking to the limits on sites. You appear to be suggesting that anyone who has 'sinned' cannot say to others they shouldn't? We're talking about saving lives or injury.
I can neither confirm or deny that I have ever gone over the limit as it makes no difference as to whether people should or not, and they shouldn't.
Again I am at a loss to comprehend why it isn't the right thing to do so I'll leave it there with you.
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Remember that saying, ‘Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the obedience of fools but trouble ensues when fools consider themselves wise men and wise men act as fools!’
We should all support keeping speeds down to that requested on sites. To do otherwise would be both foolish and antisocial.
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Perhaps when walking around the site, pedestrians should walk in the middle of the roads rather than perhaps cutting across pitches, moving aside only when the approaching vehicle has reduced their speed to an acceptable level. Two problems solved at once.
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+1, turning a potentially lethal action into a spat & questioning folk that support better/safer driving is distasteful in the least. HB’s OP questioning safety statements & their implementation in a positive way should be supported.
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Thank you AD👍🏻
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In spite of thousands of words here on the subject it's still my view that layout and site practices I.e racetrack layout and driving looking for pitches are a significant contribution to this speeding problem if indeed it exists .
I don’t disagree with the race track bit. The long one way circuit, straights or curves, and the fact you choose your own pitch, often leads to folk tearing round, particularly on a Friday. Presumably either to bag there favourite pitch or on there second circuit to get back to one they spotted.
So yes a problem exists but the site layout does not justify it, no more than long straights on the public road. There is one such on our route to Newark. A convenient lay-by is often occupied by a camera van, so folk keep to the speed limit, just as they do in average camera areas and as they should do on camp sites.
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Club system is not the only way. Dutch lady jumped on her bike and said “Kom, I show you”. We were well over 5mph to keep up with her. After she unhitched the caravan and swung it into place for us she said, “Now you put car in car park”.
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yes full agreement there.
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Whatever difference site layouts might or might not make, we are where we are and the problem of speeding lies fairly and squarely with drivers.
Something needs to be done to make drivers stay within the speed limit. Should they be evicted from the site, have their membership revoked, lose future bookings? Every avenue is fraught with difficulties and impracticalities so it comes back to the need for each of us to act responsibly of our own accord. We are all responsible adults and need to act as such.
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On the sites I've been on there are very high speed bumps between sections and while some appear to like to launch their caravan by going over them as quickly as possible (is there a more horrible noise than a caravan landing?) most do slow down for them and then speed back up. I really can't understand that?
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I agree fully, I would imagine everyone knows what the speed limit is and all it takes is to look at the speedometer (unless you're Cougar from Top gun having a club site holiday) or keep in first gear.
And yes how to stop it? Or reduce it. I did mention once solar powered speed sensors that displayed your speed but again that detracts from the campsite feel?
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I've no idea how to enforce the speed limit but maybe it would focus people's minds if they realised they would more than likely be deemed responsible in the event of an accident if they were exceeding the stipulated limit. It's a terrible thought having that on your conscience.
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