Draining down!

anddogscometoo
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edited May 2021 in Caravans #1

This maybe a daft question but we are new to caravanning and have set up the van on the drive to test everything. We go on our first trip locally soon. Do we need to drain all the water and empty the toilet cassette that we just filled to test the flush before we tow? Thanks 😊

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  • JVB66
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    edited May 2021 #2

    We do not between sites,but it depends ,how near the mptml you are when traveling

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  • Tinwheeler
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    edited May 2021 #4

    Providing the cassette isn’t near full, it won’t hurt to tow with water in it but why not set off with it empty to give you greater capacity for use when you need it?

    I’d not empty the flush or any other tanks you may have unless you're weight critical.

  •  viatorem
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    edited May 2021 #5

    If you have a newish van then it is likely that any additional fluids will be eating into your paltry load allowance of around 150kg by as much as 37kg if full.

    For this reason I always drain down the water heater 10l, the flush 7l and empty the cassette approx 20l the charge it with a dose of toilet fluid.

  • Amesford
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    edited May 2021 #6

    We always drain down not only for the weight but because it can be become a "live load" ie sloshing around  

  • anddogscometoo
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    edited May 2021 #7

    I am a little confused. Sorry its all new to us!! We have a 2013 bailey unicorn madrid  with alde wet central heating. I don't think we have a tank, doesn't the water just come straight from the aquaroll? 🤷‍♀️

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited May 2021 #8

    First of all, does your van have what’s called an on board water tank? If it does, then travel with it empty to avoid the large quantity of water moving around, it can make a difference to how the van tows, if it doesn’t have baffles. You can simply travel with a small water container inside the van for any cups of tea or hand washes while enroute. If you have a system where you use a water barrel, then don’t fill this, but fill up and connect when you get to Site. Again, a small amount of water for travelling. We used to travel with a loo ready to use, for any breaks, if it flushes from an on board system, simply flush with a container until you get to site, then set up as normal.

    The three main things are, don’t have a large amount of water onboard when travelling, keep an eye on your weight, and don’t have water standing for weeks in your system. Some outfits are only used a few times a year, so best to freshen things up.😁 Enjoy yourselves, it will soon all be second nature.

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited May 2021 #9

    The fluid in your Alde central heating system is a sealed circuit, much like your home central heating, it usually has something added, (anti freeze) but only needs draining down periodically, so leave this alone. The water for showers, taps etc, is what is drawn in from your Aquaroll, completely separate system. Your need to empty the water boiler before travelling, carefully, as it might be hot once you have been on site. More important in Winter this last bit, to stop any residual water left in boiler from freezing.

    If you haven’t done so, have a good read of the Club’s handbook for some good tips around towing safely, laying up a van for Winter etc....  It’s probably on website somewhere as well, but things can be buried rather deep on here👍😁

  • anddogscometoo
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    edited May 2021 #10

    Thanks for that! There is so much to get your head around! I'm sure it will all become clear.....eventually🤣🤣 We don't have an onboard tank we just use an aquaroll so do we still open the yellow drain valve before travelling?

  • anddogscometoo
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    edited May 2021 #11

    So is this the yellow drain switch?

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited May 2021 #12

    I don’t know what the yellow drain valve is on your van but please do not travel with any drain valves open as this will drain the contents onto the Highway - a big no, no.

    PS. I think you need to study your handbook to find out what's what. 👍🏻

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited May 2021 #13

    I’m sorry, I can’t help with a modern van, ours is a 1984 model, and doesn’t have a modern heating system, so not sure what drain switch you are talking about. Hopefully, your van came with a handbook, but if not, it might be an idea to get one so that you have some good information to hand.

    We had an old van with the Alde wet heating, and an onboard water tank. We never drained the central heating system, but always drained the onboard tank, as water in there made the van pitch when it was being towed.

    This might help, hope it’s the right manual, but if not just Google.....

    https://www.manualslib.com/manual/825680/Bailey-Unicorn.html

     

  • anddogscometoo
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    edited May 2021 #14

    Thanks everyone for your help with my rookie questions! We've sussed it I think! We opened the yellow switch and this has drained down the boiler👍😊 I'm sure we are going to have lots of comedy moments and errors along the way but can't wait to get started on our caravanning journey!😍

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited May 2021 #15

    You will be fine👍We have all been there, some of the best moments are the unintentionally funny ones.😁

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  • Tigi
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    edited May 2021 #17

    Drain down fresh water system including boiler.

    Retain minimum for a couple of flushes in toilet flush tank

    ALDE  is never drained down except for the additive change every two or five years depending on additive you have.

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited May 2021 #18

    Yours is a new modern well built van AD, and a few inches possibly won’t make that much difference as it might well have baffles in. Our old larger Cotswold Windrush had an onboard tank, a large one, and it made a big difference towing it back. I found out the hard way we had forgotten to empty tank one journey home, it increased the pitching quite substantially, and of course I got travel sick.
    It took us a while to fathom out what the problem was, then OH recalled the Summer he had to go and collect and use a Green Goddess Fire Engine to fight a big peat moor fire. They carried hundreds of gallons, but weren’t safe above 30mph when full, as they had no baffles in tanks, so you got a pull-push effect from all the water onboard🤢 A convoy of around 15 of these old beauties, all crawling up the M1 from storage to Thorne Moors.....

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  • Takethedogalong
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    edited May 2021 #20

    Probably a good towing combination then, long vehicle, long van, less pitching.👍

  • JollyKernow
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    edited May 2021 #21

    Hi and Welcome to the forum and caravanning. Just a tip from a site manager, when you're striking camp, if you're on a grass pitch please don't drain your boiler (the yellow switch) on the grass before you leave as this kills the grass in a couple of hours, not nice for the next camper. 

    Any other questions ask awaylaughing

    JK

  • JVB66
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    edited May 2021 #22

    The yellow drain valve next to your water heater,can be open when travelling, as it is just the water from your hot tank,if.you also open your taps  it will also emptymost of ,the water from your pipes,if you really need to

    When you refill the system from your aquaroll,,always put the pump into water before pluging it. Into the inlet on the C/van as this will very much the chance of an air lock In system

  • nelliethehooker
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    edited May 2021 #23

    Yes it is. We have a similar model of caravan to you, and I drain down the hot water boiler into my waste water carrier before leaving each site, which then gets emptied as normal. I know that others don't always bother but I don't like travelling with the thought of water sloshing around in the main body of the van. As JK says the hot water damages grass pitches hence using the waste water carrier. I don't drain down the flush tank but make sure that it's not full before setting off but has sufficient water in it should we stop an route and use our toilet.

  • Whittakerr
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    edited May 2021 #25

    I've also been there, done that (Only three times embarassedcry)

  • cyberyacht
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    edited May 2021 #26

    Travel with any tank filled to the brim then there's no room for slopping about. wink It's probably one of those "all or nothing" situations.

  • Metheven
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    edited May 2021 #27

    I keep it as simple as I can during touring season and for many years have had no problem. The yellow drain valve is closed after a winter in storage, stays that way until the end of my touring season then opened again for the next winter in storage. If draining a few kilos from a Truma heater and associated pipework is necessary then you are flying very close to the wind regarding payload, then there's the getting rid of the air in the system after arriving at the next site. OK I may be lucky in having a close to 300kg payload and heavy capable towcar, maybe that's the reason I empty nothing when travelling

    Whatever is in the toilet flush tank stays from site to site and only drained for winter storage, and whatever is in the Truma boiler also stays throughout the season. Aquaroll, toilet cassette and grey waste water emptied at the end of each site stay.

    Each year all water pipes, hot and cold flushed with bug killing fluid along with waste drain pipes. Also fill and empty the flush tank annually a few times.

  • SteveL
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    edited May 2021 #28

    When we had a caravan with Alde heating we also used to drain down the boiler before travelling. We normally opted for hardstanding but rather than run hot water out onto the ground, we always emptied the hot water through the sink drains into the waste master, which gave them a good clean out. Then when we drained the boiler the water was cold.
    Particularly before storing the van in winter it is worth leaving the yellow drain valve and taps open on the journey home. It shakes a few last drops from the system. Between sites it is better to close it after draining. I’m  another one who has emptied the first aquaroll onto the pitch on more than one occasion.embarassed

  • jennyc
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    edited May 2021 #29

    No, your hot water doesn’t come direct from the aqua roll, it’s heated in a small tank under a bunk. You might not recognise it as a tank because it’s encased in insulation, pipes and electronics. When you drain down, it’s capacity and presence becomes obvious through the volume of water released.

  • JohnM20
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    edited May 2021 #30

    I start my drain-down as soon as I have finished with water in the caravan and before other jobs, mirrors on the car, electric cable etc etc. If I'm on a hardstanding I will let it drain out there but if we're on grass I switch off the heater and then run the hot water through the sink with cold water from the aquaroll replacing the hot in the boiler and then into the wastemaster to save ruining the grass. The cold water in the boiler can then be safely let go onto the grass. Opening at least one tap will speed this up. It is only fresh water so any that does run out onto the road is perfectly OK in my opinion. As others have said, remember to close the drain valve after the boiler is empty or before you try filling it again frown.

  • eribaMotters
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    I have a small hot water heater just behind the axle and an onboard 35/40L tank at the front of the van. I pull the drain plug in the bottom of  the tank and empty it. I leave the water boiler and pipework full/primed. This water weight is contained and cannot move about in transit. Toilet holding tank is emptied, rinsed out and primed with 2 or 3L of water and chemical for next stop. Flush tank is ran low and if anything over a couple of litres in it is drained down into a 2L water bottle.

    This set-up allows me to travel with minimal liquid onboard and yet be able to set up quickly.

     

    Colin