'Wild camping' in a motorhome or van
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It was indeed some kind of festival night. Fireworks going off for hours. It was a last minute decision of mine, I forgot to phone our chosen CL and it was full.
Bought a gift membership of other Club for a niece, it arrived today, so might have a look at what CS’s might suit us, see if it’s worth rejoining.0 -
Dartmoor has been the same. I work lates on my way home from Plymouth usually see some dotted around Robourgh Down.
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OK it is not only in this thread but others, this time I was picking up on your post on page 15, fourth one down. It may well be that in 2020 large numbers of owners joined the Club but we cannot know that for sure until the the Club says so usually at the 2021 AGM. Similarly the retention figure will not be known either
peedee
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JK, I assume you refer to 2020 figures. Do you also see retention figures as well? My point was membership has been fairly stable for the past 5 years. (2015-2019 inclusive) not leaping up in spades. 2020 and 2021 are not going to be typical years. Any figures whether membership or financial are not going to represent the strength of a business, in fact it may well take further years for things to settle down to an even keel and become meaningful.
peedee
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I agree with LLM, the Club is not meeting the demand for van owners just wanting a short stay perhaps it never will. If you want a long stay, more than a couple of nights, then they are fine.
Perhaps not a short cheap stay, but they meet our need of a single night stay, equally as well as several days. I think it’s fairly clear when you join that they are not a company running MH Aires.
When we took our MH to France we used camping car park and other Aires. All has the option of paid for dump and fill, as well as stopping overnight. This didn’t stop folk walking onto the site to empty toilet cassettes and dump refuse. Some folk just do not want to contribute. They perhaps think the facilities provided just magically appear and are maintained by a company that doesn’t need to pay its employees.🤔3 -
Kj /my post was in answer to youre about your country? when you advised that people cover Many miles and just require a stop over on route ,hence the Garage? stops
And as many it seems from other countries of the uk ,We are seperate nations all of which are smaller than other countries
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"When we took our MH to France we used camping car park and other Aires. All has the option of paid for dump and fill, as well as stopping overnight. This didn’t stop folk walking onto the site to empty toilet cassettes and dump refuse. Some folk just do not want to contribute. They perhaps think the facilities provided just magically appear and are maintained by a company that doesn’t need to pay its employees.🤔
You hit the nail on the head Steve.....
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Scattered around Bodmin Moor too, but I really don't think either of those are a problem.
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2 different things there JVB.
The "Quick Stops" are those often used by both caravans and MHs when people are travelling to their destinations. Both Norway and Sweden are very long countries and plenty of the residents like to head to the sun with their vans, so will drive all day with only the necessary breaks, to get there as soon as possible. These stops are on regular campsites.
The garage ( and supermarket and roadside) dump and fill facilities which peedee had also found are mainly used by MHs that are not using sites. There is a right to roam in most of Scandinavia, and wild camping as it is called here is very common, so suitable facilities have been provided to enable this, and protect the countryside.
Scotland is not small in comparison to some other countries when you consider density of population, look at the population density in Holland and Belgium, and would benefit from a similar set up, which it seems is going to happen in some areas. We also have long distances to cover in the north and campsites are thin on the ground in many areas.
But even densely populated areas could have these garage dump and fill points installed, as peedee commented. Once facilities are available there would be absolutely no excuse for most of the current antisocial behaviour.
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We cannot know if either of those examples are causing problems or not, Euro.
Certainly there have been problems on Dartmoor, as reported on our local news, with overnight camping, fires/BBQs and dumped rubbish. This is leading to enforcement by park rangers and police and further access restrictions being imposed.
Unfortunately, where one or two wildcampers may park without causing trouble, others will follow with the results we all dread.
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The problems it seems have been increasing with the proliferation of Mostly? motor caravan owners,who have been promised the "Freedom"of the lifestyle by Marketing Deparments ,and some have taken it literally,,with as posted by several on here and other websites no thought or consideration for any one else
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I am not doubting JK's statement, my point in using previous years known figures is to show the membership has remained stable and not grown in spades. I believe it won't grow significantly unless the Club improves it offering to motorhome owners.
The only way to reduce wildcamping is to provide alternative facilities.
I see my post on page 16 has been Deleted User, quite why I have no idea!
There seems little point in posting further on this thread and in any case I must go and get on with other things.
peedee
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It has been mentioned on this thread that the number of MH's on club sites is indicative that "all is well". The presence of MH's in numbers may well be due to the absence of alternatives rather than a particular desire for the CAMC offering. If 'ad hoc' overnighting is so deprecated then a suitable provision at a sensible price would help mitigate the activity which is so decried by a substantial number on here.
Whilst a "jack the lad" approach to overnighting will never be eliminated, provision of "MH appropriate" stopovers would be appreciated by the majority of motorhomers, thus reducing its frequency. As things stand at the moment, dog owners have more comprehensive provision than motorhomes.
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On page 15 I did not say people were re-joining in spades PD
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I would quite happily pay the 12€ or so a night that camping car park type Aires charge, if they were set up over here. However, I fear the stop anywhere for nowt fraternity would not use them, nor pay the 5€ dump and fill charge, if not using them to overnight.
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Yet the club stated that when it rebranded and changed it's name the membership of MH owners went up significantly which goes against what you are saying?
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The presence of MH's in numbers may well be due to the absence of alternatives rather than a particular desire for the CAMC offering
again this seems to be saying that the club is the only one offering campsites? And people have to use a club site above all others? The club offers less than 10% of UK campsites, so how can you say that?
There are plenty of other providers offering cheaper prices as you want, so why are there so many MH on club sites? I mean could it be that is actually what these people want?
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No, Fish, I don't believe there is room for every way of MH-ing.
You surely can't be saying there is tolerance and room for the dirty campers and law breakers?
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The motor caravan that caught fire at Broadway site a few years back,although parked correctly on their pitch with the correct spacing ,severly damaged the caravan pitched next door
Ps the occupents of the motor caravan had very little time to get out it seems, as they were only wearing their wedding rings
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But then dogs do not normaly take their owners to places in motor caravans it seems to be the other way round
And as the motor home owners seem as posted on here, are looking for Transport to take them to other areas when pitched up,it seems that a sensible price (these days of salaries for many)has been found ,by using sites of the organsations that are already doing what is required ,
then as i posted earlier and Kj says works in Norway?already, there will be thousands of UK garage owners looking for another income stream after 2030
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Interesting that the report quotes statutory guidance, to the application of the fire legislation, that quite clearly does not apply to 'caravans' in the way that most on here would use them-their own units-but to accommodation providers..
Its clear to see why, as the way that the fire risk' is managed is by controlling unit spacing and, from what I can see, control is exactly what is not wanted.
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