Amenity blocks closed until 17th May
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The site fee would be have been booked at £X/night with the expectation of full facilities. Now I fully accept that the closure of the facilities would have been known before arrival and payment.
However, the fact is some members do seem to believe that the CAMC is a Club in the true sense rather than simply a commercial concern like Asda and if the CAMC or Asda went out of business the void would very quickly be filled. If my local village pub went out of business the void may not be filled and the whole social aspect of the village would probably change for ever.
If I was in effect considering to give money to a commercial enterprise it would be my local pub rather than a travel company. Possibly I am wrong and I should send a cheque tomorrow to TUI to tide them over the next few months.
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I used to regularly use a site near Garstang when living on my own. I would often leave work at 11.45 on a Thursday and travel up there and leave early Monday for work. I think the showers were 50p. I had no complaints as the owner stored my van F.O.C. When I arrived the van would be ready sited and put into storage when I left. There were three fishing lakes/ponds and when I arrived around 1pm I was always told that the fishing was free.
There was also trout and Salmon in the river and canals and sea fishing.
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The site fee would be have been booked at £X/night with the expectation of full facilities. Now I fully accept that the closure of the facilities would have been known before arrival and payment
It would appear that you are saying payment occurs before arrival? I know you have stated you don't use club sites often (if at all?) but actually you pay on arrival at a club site not before. Also no booking deposit was made, you can cancel at (almost) any time. You have lost nothing. But in any event if one knows the price then I assume one is happy to pay it, unlike your half pint analogy
the fact is some members do seem to believe that the CAMC is a Club in the true sense
In which case they would consider supporting the club by paying the set price even though not all facilities are available?
You give your money to whoever you wish, personally I would support somewhere that sells pies?
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"Really
you quote even a few? How is it that quite a few sites near public footpaths and other places of access to site by other than those on site ,there is information advising to "not give access to those who do not have access code/key to these facilities"
There are two that we have used within 60miles if here
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No need to be rude AG I don't do that to you?
I can only reply to what you write and as read you didn't make that clear at all?
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I read this post last night and thought the reason it didn't make much sense was because I was tired.
This morning, no change. At least two thirds of it seems to be an excuse to moan about the club and its members. You're not forced to be here but choose to be so I guess you must love it really.🤷♂️
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I mooted a similar idea a couple years ago..Make all pitches fully serviced and charge a flat fee across the network..I think i mentioned around £40pn at the time...obviously on many sites that has now been surpassed even for a couple...I also mentioned a charge for more that 2 dogs....but I had to put my tin hat on for many moths after that !!!
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And for those of us who have no need of serviced pitches you suggest.......what?
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Whilst I agree that the provision of a number of service pitches on site is a good thing. The ones we have used in freezing weather were a waste of money. The nice warm facilities block where the shower worked, as its supply pipe wasn’t frozen, was very useful.
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Yes that has happened to me. Actually it was the waste pipe and the tap that got frozen, the aquaroll and pump was fine
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I don't think you are on your own. We could certainly cope with sites like that. The Club does have at least one site which partially meets your requirements and that is Hebden Bridge which does not have a facility block but does have half a dozen serviced pitches. I am sure I have heard they want to add more so it could be a blueprint for the future.
One does have to add something of a health warning though. If the Club is going to invest in new sites which are often, these days, existing commercial sites which they refurbish. The cost of buying such sites requires a financial return which would probably not be met if they just converted it to serviced pitches only with no toilet block. This is principally because there would be a expectation pitch fees would be cheaper which might not go hand in hand with the upfront costs of buying the site?
David
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Using my favourite cruise ship analogy, I pay for a Balcony cabin but, for whatever reason, the door to the balcony is locked for the duration of the trip and effectively becomes merely a 'ocean view' cabin, the latter attracting a lower price. Why should I pay for something that I am not getting? Before Corners or anyone else challenges this, how many balconies would they sell at higher prices if customers knew they wouldn't get the product they are paying for?
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TW...My mooted idea was that the cost would be built into the site fees...just as the many other 'facilities' the club provide....which in turn could be argued against as not required by many of the membership. The fact the pitch has water and waste is irrelevant.
If you look at the take up of pitches on club sites..it doesn't take much to realise that there is a much needed requirement for more serviced pitches..
As for cost ...take a look at most of the commercial sites, nearly all have fully serviced pitches...at less cost than the club.
And...in Europe SP's are virtually the 'Norm'..
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the club wouldn't reduce the fees last year for sites where the facilities block was closed .... the gist of their reply was that it costs about the same to keep a facilities site open as it does a none facilities site .... I'm sure there's some logic there somewhere
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Why should I pay for something that I am not getting?
Again totally different, if you or one is paying for something that you are not getting that you have every right to feel cheated. But if you knew that it would be like that and still bought it then you are not being cheated, it is simply your decision.
how many balconies would they sell at higher prices if customers knew they wouldn't get the product they are paying for?
Again not applicable to a club site booking, as at time of booking the club has not sold you anything, you have not paid anything. You might have a point if you had paid a deposit and then were still being charged full price, but as you know this does not happen on a club booking.
The club is selling it's pitches without facilities at this price (at whatever VAT rate is applicable) rightly or wrongly. One knows the price, one knows what one is getting. No one is being forced to buy or pay.
As to how many cabins would they sell is just irrelevant, it is how many pitches the club will sell. And judging by the number of people who can't wait to get on club sites that doesn't seem to be a problem?
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You must be going to some very exclusive European sites if SP's are virtually the Norm.
Colin
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I think some have forgotten or didn't know but last year the club gave partial refunds at Hillhead for facilities which were out of use eg the swimming pool, if I remember rightly. There may have been other similar instances on the site network.
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None of which is of interest to me really as I don’t much care what other sites do and certainly not what happens overthere.
"Much needed requirement for serviced pitches" maybe but not for 100% serviced pitches on club sites, nor by 100% of members. I'm proof of that.😎
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There you go then, sorted.👍🏻
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I really cannot see what all the fuss is about other than the price charged when there are no facilities open. If that bothers you don't go or go to a site which does not have facilities and is usually cheaper..
I know of no caravans without toilet facilities of some kind and only 8 percent of motor caravans don't have any, (usually small campervans) therefore for the vast majority, the fact that facility blocks are initially not open should not be a problem.
peedee
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Good question. We have no intention of paying Club Site prices if we can avoid it, and particularly if most of the facilities built into a nightly fee might not be available. We have saved £121 doing just this by swopping 5 nights at a Club Site, for 5 nights on a nearby CL. Suits us fine. We might be doing same with another two Club Site bookings as well if I find a CL/ small private Site instead, haven’t started looking yet.
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As a Club member you own the Club and any profit is re-invested for the benefit of members. In a pub the profit goes to the landlord and/or brewery. Consequently there's a big difference between being a customer and a member/shareholder but then I see you are not a member.
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