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  • mickysf
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    edited January 2021 #872

    It just amazes me that covidiots like Martin and O'Leary can hold so much store amongst some of our population!

  • LLM
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    edited January 2021 #873

    Not sure who you mean but if it's the one I found on YouTube I found him very irritating yell.  15 seconds was enough for me! smile

  • EasyT
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    edited January 2021 #875

    Who they?

  • LLM
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    edited January 2021 #876

    Also the "British" variant / mutation is not quiet so advanced in Europe yet.

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    edited January 2021 #877
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  • moulesy
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    edited January 2021 #878

    Conquering this awful pandemic is not a competition and throughout this discussion I have focused solely on what is happening in the UK.

    We have been told, that, per head of population the UK is doing better than anywhere else in Europe.

    So, out of interest, 3336 out of the UK population against 6355 for the combined population of Germany, Italy, France and Spain. Which works out "best" per head of population?  undecided

  • nelliethehooker
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    edited January 2021 #879

    Up-to-date figures of deaths per 1 million head of population

    Belgium.  1738

    Italy.          1330

    UK.             1245

    Spain.         1131

    France.        1056

    Germany.       529

  • EasyT
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    edited January 2021 #880

    We have been told, that, per head of population the UK is doing better than anywhere else in Europe.

    What was that in relation to?

    If it was related to vaccinations then The UK is ahead of the rest of Europe. But without knowing what it is otherwise related to I have no idea.

  • EasyT
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    edited January 2021 #882

    Seemed like an enquiry not a judgement. Similar in some ways to my question asking what we are supposed to be doing better than the rest of Europe.

  • KjellNN
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    edited January 2021 #883

    I see Aldi are now also saying no mask no entry

  • MikeyA
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    edited January 2021 #884

    The figures were correct at the time I posted but since then Germany has increased their figures. 

    I always use the following website: 

     https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

    By population the UK is 17th in the world, by deaths 5th in the world.

     

    Nothing to be proud of.

  • EasyT
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    edited January 2021 #885

    By population the UK is 17th in the world, by deaths 5th in the world.

    By population density we are amongst the most densely populated

    https://www.worldometers.info/population/countries-in-europe-by-population/

  • JVB66
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    edited January 2021 #886

    It has been ever since Marketing and Accountants began running eveything  .   they could make those who would listen   arrange figures to suit the occassionssurprised

  • EasyT
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    edited January 2021 #887

    Does anybody know what way the UK was said to be doing better than Europe? I have only read this statement as having regard to vaccine rollout. In this regard we are well ahead of mainland Europe

  • MikeyA
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    edited January 2021 #888

    Statistics do not always show the whole truth. Lots of other countries have vast areas of uninhabited land with few people which distort the real picture.

    Take the UK and Australia for example:

    UK is approx 32 times smaller than Australia

    Population of UK is  68 million, Australia is 25 million.

    However if you list the city populations in order of size:

    London  9.3 million, Manchester, 2.73, Birmingham, 2.6, Glasgow 1.67

    Melbourne 4.97, Sydney 4.92, Brisbane 2.4, Perth 2.1

    So you can see that the majority of the population of Oz lives in just 4 cities so the fact that the area of Australia is almost 3 million square miles is irrelevant.

    Both countries are islands but quick and decisive action by the Australian government has restricted the number of deaths to less than a thousand.

     

  • JVB66
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    edited January 2021 #889

    Quick action? or as you pointed out ,much sparcer poulation

  • moulesy
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    edited January 2021 #890

    It is certainly true that we are way ahead as far as the vaccine production and roll out is concerned and we should rightly praise all the scientific effort that went into this - not to mention those who volunteered for the trials along the way. Similarly we can be proud of the heroic efforts of NHS staff who have responded so uncomplainingly to the demands being put upon them. smile

     Our political masters? Little to be proud of there. frown

  • moulesy
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    edited January 2021 #891

    Just read Mickey's post again. He was pointing out that roughly the same number of folk live in the 4 major cities in both countries. The "sparcer  poulation "(sic)  is largely irrelevant in that respect. undecided

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  • brue
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    edited January 2021 #893

    Australia enjoys a different climate and an outdoor lifestyle which may also affect the spread of Covid in certain regions.

  • JVB66
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    edited January 2021 #894

    And how far apart are those "large?"populations undecided

    When in this little island many commute  daily between our many large populated citiessurprised

    the one major thing that should have  IMHO been done in the early stages of the pandemic would have been to test those entering the country which i can understand with so many entry points to the UK , would have been far harder than the likes of Australia and New Zealand

  • MikeyA
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    edited January 2021 #895

    The population isn't much sparser as I think I've shown. Talking about decisive action the Australian government banned international travel soon after the pandemic started last March and anyone coming into is taken to a hotel for mandatory quarantine.

    Compare that with this country where even now,10 months and over 80,000 deaths later, the long awaited requirement for a negative Covid test has been delayed from tomorrow until next Monday. This should have  been instigated 9 months ago. All throughout the pandemic the Government has allowed anyone arriving from abroad unhindered passage to anywhere in the country before they reach their place of "quarantine". How many millions could have been affected by this nonsensical ruling that anyone in a primary school could have foreseen the possible repercussions. 

  • brue
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    edited January 2021 #896

    I have to disagree with you again David, I'm probably one of the majority who takes no comfort at all from the spread of this disease in any country. Neither will I run our country down in it's efforts to suppress and control the disease, mistakes have been made. Politicians receive no training for their job, they are the same as us, they get voted in and out and they're not as Moulesy says "our masters" they could more likely be called our servants and in the face of a crisis like this one they will be called to task when the crisis is over.

     

  • MikeyA
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    edited January 2021 #897

    Not all the time. They have had awful weather in Sydney over the last few weeks.

    I'm sure many of us also adopted a similar lifestyle last March and April when we had unseasonably good weather during the first lockdown. Didn't help the deaths in the first period though did it?

  • Cornersteady
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    edited January 2021 #898

    my post was removed but I didn't mention anything about UK doing better at all? It was about a poster saying what would you do?

  • moulesy
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    edited January 2021 #899

     Would a "reasoned arguement" be that quicker and more decisive action in virtually every respect of the handling of this situation would have demonstrably led to fewer infections, hospital admissions and deaths? Even today we are hearing that the new measures regarding arrivals from overseas, so proudly announced just this week, have had to be delayed. frown

    But let me turn the question round, LLM - are you saying that you are perfectly happy with the way ministers from the PM down have handled it? No criticism at all? undecided

  • Cornersteady
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    edited January 2021 #900

    Indeed +1 so perhaps you could give us your counter proposals, all you do is post what would you do?

  • JVB66
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    edited January 2021 #901

    But then the latest Mutations ,from Kent ,South Africa and now Brazil as found in Australia have yet to take of in other areas of the world

    And using March 2020 as a model is not really relavent  as all nations were more so,  and still are on a very steep learning curve and the more crowded smaller countries even harder to find a way through this