COVID - general discussion - Temp Locked
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Went to Broughton complex last night about 7.00. Not more than 2 dozen shoppers combined in M&S and Tesco and I only saw 1 person without a mask, young man, very healthy as he had builders clothes on, just chatting away on his mobile. Nobody challenged him although I now read today that Tesco, Asda and Sainsbury are joining Morrisons lead and not admitting people to enter without a mask unless medically exempt.
Must admit I haven't seen many when doing our local area going into shops without one and we have called in occasionally in the Asda by you when passing. They have a decent Free From section that stock things I can't find elsewhere locally.
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but dear Gavin is well behind the curve and probably brought up with a siliver spoon in his mouth and does not know what goes into making 7 meals. He should be walking the plank
Rufs, I did overhear a local teacher say that they wish they had Gove back. Now that is an indictment of how bad Williamson is. Thank goodness he didn't last long at Defence.
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I agree I don't think I've seen many people not wearing a mask
The problem I have is that some folks seem to think wearing their mask under their noses is ok.
It's astonishing the number of older people you see doing this, and before anyone flexes their fingers I'm in the older category myself.
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I was in town the other week on a very quiet day picking up prescriptions. The only people knocking about were locals and a few kids.
Most of the locals were wearing their mask around their chins and stopping for a chat with a friendly face they knew, right up close to each other as well. We have in this part of North Wales one of the worst infection rates, twice as many ICU beds taken up with C19 as in April yet still these idiots still refuse to follow simple rules.
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Most of the locals were wearing their mask around their chins and stopping for a chat with a friendly face they knew,
I presume that is on the street not in store. Only in areas outside of shops that I have not worn a mask as I am not stood in queues (except outside the chemist where I am masked up).
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Yes ET they were in the street but quite a few were walking along in small groups of 3 or 4 chatting away. They didn't look to be in bubbles as handshakes are not the norm for close family bubbles. About 3 different groups with 1 person common to all, having a chat about some football game or other, masks keeping their chins warm.
Just reinforcing Papgeno's point about some elderly folk not bothering with social distancing or masks when in groups.
It just makes me lean towards believing that these same folks might be a bit cavalier when it comes to mixing indoors.
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Recently went for a walk in the local park and was horrified to see how many, of all ages, were not wearing masks.
This seems to make a nonsense of the govt. not allowing us to drive say 5 miles to the local forest and exercise, wearing our masks, in relative isolation.
That local park must be a fertile breeding ground for the new virulent strain of the plague.
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There is no requirement to wear a face covering or mask outside,
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well apparently there is no evidence that the virus spreads well outdoors, unless you're in close proximity to someone there.
Most infections happen indoors.
Researchers discovered coronavirus transmission mostly occurred in the home and on public transport.
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I think it depends on the distancing aspect outdoors.
Look at the evidence that appeared after outdoor events such as Cheltenham Festival in March and the Liverpool v Athletico Madrid game later that week. They are widely believed to have been super spreaders. The difference between these and walking in the park is distancing. Some walkers in the park etc. still do not distance enough but I do feel that if we did all keep a safe distance outdoors it wouldn't be a problem with regard to infection spread. Indoors is undoubtedly the main area where spread is rife.
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We walk quite a bit, obviously in our local area during lockdown, and I find that my mindset is slightly different nowadays to that of April. I was always wary of distancing but now I find myself turning away when runners or cyclists pass close by and even holding my breath for a few seconds due to this variant being more easily transmitted.
It might not make any difference at all but it's not going to do me any harm unless I get whiplash.
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Lots of outdoor sports have advice for amateurs on how to exercise. For example cycling have suggested that riders either ride abreast, or leave a good distance if riding one in front of other. Same with jogging, chevron approach is bad, prime area for catching exhaled breath. Outdoors is not without risk, but can be reduced.
We are same as you, look to distance, turn away on footpaths. It all helps.😁
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I do exactly the same. I find most joggers and runners I encounter, have no intention of deviating from there intended path 🤬. I now distance as far as possible and turn my back. Much more difficult if they approach from behind.
I haven't worn a mask outdoors when walking. OH, classed as extremely vunerable as he was informed by letter signed Matt again today does when he does the afternoon walk. He complains of glasses steaming up but better with homemade mask than disposable one, I think I made them slightly deeper. I'm awaiting new trail contact lenses and intend on getting him some foogy wipes they recommended when I collect them. Didn't buy when he got his new glasses as he doesn't go anywhere, except for the dentist, indoors as they weren't cheap..... Not that the cost is everything!
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On the day Boris says "lockdown measures are starting to show signs of some effect" and Matt talks about "making this the peak" the UK has recorded a record 1564 deaths.
And they wonder why folk question their handling of the pandemic!
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I read that there are indications that the rates of infection are decreasing but reductions of death rates will be several weeks behind.
However the governments all refer to the increases caused by the 50% more infectious Kent strain. They do not seem to blame themselves for infections over Christmas however - I do
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It may well show this area (the mutated virus came from Kent)? has passed the peak ,and as expected, increasing in other areas
,When a lockdown as the first last year may have contained it better, , all the time there are those still in denial ,and trying to circumnavigate the advise/rules,,there is no chance of it being controlled ,
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Well that's OK then! We can all relax.
I suspect that is what was mistaken for being sarcastic.
Which part of what I posted is actually not correct, LLM?
The thought that an increase in todays deaths reflected the amount of todays infection levels. Todays deaths reflect infection levels several weeks ago
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Well I'm sure LLM is big enough to speak for himself, but ...
(a) Ah yes, so not the post he quoted then! Yes, may I should have expressed that differently in my reply to JVB. I admit I sometimes get frustrated by some folk's slavish endorsement of how this government has handled the pandemic
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(b) I gave no indication of any correlation, simply stated two well publicised quotes and today's sad death statistics.
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Yes it is disgraceful what was provided but tonight I saw what should have been provided against what was and there were a few discrepancies.
They should have got some meat, more tomatoes and a few other items, the original did not have pasta.
What some people think children eat is beyond me but its not what was provided in that parcel.
By the way its supposed to be for 5 lunches not 7 meals
if they are to get £15 worth of vouchers a week then a clever Mum/Dad could easily make some very good 'meals' for that. If there were 2 or 3 children in the household getting £15 each then I think they would be able to provide lunch and dinner quite easily. Having worked in various school kitchens when we lived overseas its amazing how much more you can provide as the numbers go up.
The saying 2 can live as cheap as one isn't to far removed from the truth were food is concerned IMO.
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Spot on EasyT, although I would suggest that many of the deaths reported today and those that will be reported for some days even weeks, to come were baked into the system before the new lockdown began. Of course the indications from the rise and fall of daily test results is a more immediate measure the progress of the virus.
PS I did not mistake the post. The sarcasm was in the second paragraph and the "mistake" in the first.
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Well we in Scotland have been told we are going into further restrictions come the end of the week.
The overall numbers in Scotland are pretty static, while in some regions they are going down (ours is one) the main cities/regions all have high numbers but nothing like parts of England are showing, then again we don't have densely populated areas apart from Glasgow and Edinburgh.
Today we learnt of more Covid deaths and outbreaks in local care homes, the homes had all had their first round of vaccinations so a cruel twist of fate.
Rarely see folk in shops without a mask, quite a few we see are wearing them in the streets and cars. Wasn't always like that though its not that long ago I complained about shoppers not masking up.
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