Winter Walks
Did anyone else see “Winter Walks” which was on BBC 1 last night? It highlighted a 6.5m walk in Dentdale, Cumbria. A bit different from the Julia Bradbury type program, the walk was filmed by the poet Lemm Sissay on a 360 degree camera.
I found it very enjoyable to watch and gave a true feeling of isolation in beautiful surroundings which was helped by a lovely bright and crisp winters day.
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I watched the BBC 4 Wharfedale Walk; one that we've done many times and is one of my favourites.
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Not over here Fish, just in your local area I can't see anywhere that you can't drive to a local park for example for that exercise, not a good idea perhaps but within our rules.
This should be limited to once per day, and you should not travel outside your local area.
You can exercise in a public outdoor place
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Would-be exercisers can now venture to parks, beaches and even local countryside for a workout.
Playgrounds, heritage sites and public gardens also qualify as places to visit for a daily jog.
But people must stay local - in their village, town or city - when they venture out, and without company
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I'm re-watching all my Wainwright videos
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In Wales you can exercise (or walk the dog) as frequently as you wish.
Exercise should start and finish at home. Plenty of cars parked in our local 'Wepre Park'.
If I wished to walk a dog or take a walk I would drive however ,as I live on a hill and could not walk far around here. Which is permitted in my situation.
On Tuesday next week I have to travel to Leigh, to accompany my daughter to the local clinic along with the grand kids. Her two young sons cannot enter and so I will sit in the car having taken them. I will try and pick up a book for each as the youngest who is autistic can be fractious and it will keep him entertained if there is a delay. If the weather is decent there is a local park nearby and we may well take a walk. No idea on the regs in that regard but, as my youngest is supposed to be shielding it will at least give the kids some fresh air.
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It would be nice to get some clarity on what is 'local'. Two young ladies have apparently been fined £200 each by Derbyshire Police for driving five miles in separate cars to a local reservoir to go for a walk, with the Police saying that driving there was not in the spirit of lockdown. The ladies were also accused of having a picnic as they had taken a drink with them.
As I understand it it is not against the law to do what they did but perhaps does not comply with the recent 'guidance'. A human rights barrister has said that the guidance is not legally binding and therefore can't be enforced. Derbyshire Police have stated that it is up to the individual officer to decide on a case by case basis as the legislation does not proscribe a distance. On that basis some officers might say it's OK to drive what is really quite a short distance whilst others might not. Surely not a good basis for policing.
The BBC have contacted the Cabinet Office, the Home Office, the College of Policing Policies and the National Police Chiefs Council to ask for clarification. None could clarify it.
Our local NT property Calke Abbey remains open as it is clearly entitled to do under the latest legislation which allows 'Heritage Sites' to be open but anyone except the inhabitants of the very small village in which it is situated would have to drive there.
If I walk from my house to get exercise I will pass far more people than I would do at either the reservoir where the ladies were or at Calke Abbey with its many hundreds of acres and miles of paths.
All that said, Winter Walks is a lovely programme especially when one has done walks in the areas.
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Have been catching up with the Winter Walks on iplayer after seeing this thread, have really enjoyed watching them. Thanks. 🙂
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Yes I agree, the Derbyshire police appear to be at it again and have no doubt the fine will be appealed in some way. I think driving 5 miles is acceptable to have exercise. Perhaps over that not? Either the police there are not doing themselves any favours long term.
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Is that specific to Wales? I think we are allowed to venture slightly further afield but would normally avoid driving more than say 3 or 4 miles or so. The rules are not clear, it's been mentioned on another thread that one is allowed to walk with dogs more than once a day though I've found no confirmation of that elsewhere!
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Yes and as I posted above that will probably end up being appealed.
But the rules are:
outdoor exercise. This should be done locally wherever possible, but you can travel a short distance within your area to do so if necessary (for example, to access an open space)
So perhaps 5 miles is too far for those officers but it does say a short distance so it is not as you posted that it must be from the door.
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The English rules say not to travel outside of your local area for exercise so presumably that is specific to Wales.
Edit: Crossed with Corners.
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So perhaps 5 miles is too far for those officers but it does say a short distance so it is not as you posted that it must be from the door.
In Wales exercise should be from home and back and the same for dog walking. There are reasons why it might be considered OK. One obvious one is where it is OK. For example if, like me, you are not good on hills and live on one. I would presume the same applies if there is no footway.
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The episode made both the main and local news tonight. BBC spoke to the Chief Constable of Nottingham for his opinion. He said that he thought a 5 mile drive to an area for exercise was quite reasonable. If it been 50 miles it would have been a different matter. Again it is down to interpretation of vague information.
Changing the subject back to Winter Walks, I've just watched Sutton Bank to Riveaux with Rev Richard Coles. Not a walk that I have done but ironically it is the area that we should have been at in April last year. The weather didn't make for a very inspiring walk but full marks to Richard for walking in the wet and muddy conditions.
Did anyone else find the rather inane and stilted additional commentary off-putting? "Sheep in a field", "Richard is walking along a fence between two brown fields" "Richard puts his hood up" etc etc. No other episodes have had this intrusion which was possibly made worse because Richard himself commented on the importance of silence. I hope any further walks, if there are any, are minus this intrusion.
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I think he drew the short straw, not the most interesting of walks and awful weather!
SW police are stepping up enquiries about legitimate "drives" out. They did this before. I think if you cross county boundaries you are leaving your home area even if it's a short distance? We're on the edge of three counties but we'll stick to our own during lockdown. I can't be bothered with nit picking the guidance if lives can be saved.
Anyway the winter walks programmes don't exceed any limits.
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We've been enjoying the winter walks too. I've recorded them to ensure I can watch again.
I didn't notice those comments JohnM20, either wasnt paying attention or you had extra 🤣
Having read the article about ladies in Derbyshire I was surprised at the police reaction. I drove 3 miles today to allow dog a good off lead run, it was frosty but still plenty of give in the ground! Lead walks don't burn off enough energy........ hopefully that's acceptable 🤞. Although one cafe closed and outdoor seating area cordoned off, there is a mobile coffee supplier with a large generator beside it, so must have council approval, it belongs to the council, and the other on site cafe doing takeaway drinks and food
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Yes, an AutoSleeper Warwick XL reg PO16. Not that I was taking much notice.....
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Yes I clocked that and tried not to jump to conclusions 😯 only vehicle or belonged to an officer and offered comfort breaks 😂
Deleted User User I fear you're right.
I'll be off with the dog in a mo and will call in for fresh produce on my way home. Don't want to be out longer than absolutely necessary, grey cold 0c and misty so hopefully it won't entice too many out......
An interview on R4 Today programme, around 0815 - 0830 certainly frightening on spread and transmission didn't catch the interviewee name but seemed to know his stuff.
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Late last night Derbyshire Police issued a statement about the matter. It is rather long so I'll paraphrase it.
They say that they have received further guidance from the NPCC which has clarified policing response. They conceded that the Covid Regulations do not restrict the distance that may be travelled for exercise. Officers will now just encourage people to follow the guidance and stay local to their home unless there is a blatant breach. All fixed penalty notices so far issued will be reviewed and the recipients contacted. They were employing the same heavy handed tactics at Elvaston Castle Country Park on the edge of Derby city.
One assumes that this police stance must apply to the whole of England at least until and if further specific restrictions are made. In the words of Chris Whittey at Christmas, though, which apply equally now "Just because you can do it doesn't mean that you should". It's nice to think that when I get fed up of tramping the same old streets and paths around home and passing the same people doing the same walks along relatively narrow paths I can, without impunity, go to our local nature reserve, historic house or even relatively local park, all of which require a drive of less than 5 miles.
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