COVID - general discussion - Temp Locked
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I often think that while the internet is fantastic (after all it makes CT possible
) there is a down side that those who do not follow or understand conventional mainstream thinking and science (being polite there) are able to spread their views far too easily.Many a time when working I had to debunk the latest conspiracy/idea students had seen on youtube. Some of it is harmless (like flat earth) but anti vaccination ideas are certainly not.
So really unless the current laws are changed 'education' is the best tool we have. I know it is obvious to us that have the vaccine is the best way forward but the government may need to have some plan to get the idea across to others?
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If you want some amusement and are not too easily influenced, just view the Good Morning Interview with Piers Morgan and Piers Corbyn.
Mr Corbyn has just about every false message and crank theories off pat.
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I think the virus will probably be around for many years and will mutate several times, or so the scientists say.
There may be a risk of currently unknown side effects of the vax but these are likely to be much less serious than the risk of catching Covid, especially to the at risk groups so, all in all, I think it is a matter of social responsibility for us to consider how our actions might impinge on others as well as on ourselves.
Getting vaccinated may not stop us carrying the disease but it is designed to stop us becoming seriously ill and possibly dying. In turn, that will relieve the burden on the NHS. Not having the vax leaves those very people vulnerable to catching the virus and maybe dying. It certainly means those unvaccinated folk will spread the disease thus putting the NHS and its staff under stress and at risk.
That's all pretty obvious to most of us but perhaps we can help the overall take up rate by trying to enlighten others and encouraging them to see the bigger picture.
It’s a rather draconian view but there is a thought that people who refuse the vax for no valid reason should be listed as such with any subsequent future treatment for covid adjusted accordingly. I can understand that view even though it goes against the ways of our country.
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It certainly means those unvaccinated folk will spread the disease thus putting the NHS and its staff under stress and at risk.
Unless the vax is proven to prevent the spread of the disease it will continue to be spread by anyone unfortunate enough to catch it, whether they have been vaccinated or not.
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Here is a bit of fun:
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Yes, I acknowledged that. 3rd para.
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Your 3rd para states:
It certainly means those unvaccinated folk will spread the disease thus putting the NHS and its staff under stress and at risk.
I'm making the point that unless the vax is proven to prevent the spread of the disease it will continue to be spread by anyone unfortunate enough to catch it, whether they have been vaccinated or not.
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I am quite willing to swop the word “thick” for badly informed, lacking in education/research if that helps, but I stand by the selfish I am afraid. And if that constitutes a Dictatorship, then heaven help us is all I can say.
Taking a research based, persuasive, educated approach, encompassing as many folks as possible for the greater good of all, is simply common sense as far as I am concerned. If that means debunking conspiracy theories, getting religious and cultural leaders on board, using influential peer figures and groups to lead campaigns, doing something so that you will be there to see your loved ones grow up, help keep your older relatives and friends safe, then I fail to see how it can be anything less than a good thing.
Fear is something entirely different, and I can respect that, but again, education and a listening, reassuring approach might win over some doubters.
Bloody minded stands on principle, the “I’m not being told what to do” intransigence, that’s something else. Usually ends badly for someone.
You are either a willing part of the solution, or you are part of the problem. (Exempting of course all those who cannot for one reason or another medically be included) 🤷♀️
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If that’s meant to be comforting Mike, it isnt😂 In fact, I rest my case.....
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Yes, as I said, I acknowledged that.
Perhaps the following extracts will help.
Vax’d folk - "Getting vaccinated may not stop us carrying the disease...."
Non vax'd folk - "It certainly means those folk will spread the disease..."
And the definition of a carrier -An asymptomatic carrier (healthy carrier or just carrier) is a person or other organism that has become infected with a pathogen, but that displays no signs or symptoms. Although unaffected by the pathogen, carriers can transmit it to others or develop symptoms in later stages of the disease. Asymptomatic carriers play a critical role in the transmission of common infectious diseases such as typhoid, HIV, C. difficile, influenzas, cholera, tuberculosis and COVID-19.....
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Sorry, don’t understand what you are trying to say🤔
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This is very informative to read, especially the video and maybe those who feel that it won't happen to them or they can exercise choice in the face of such a deadly virus should heed the words of this NHS Professor in London, working just now. BBC LINK
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I think Mylo is saying he's not going to have the vax and is not swayed by information or thoughts of overstretching the NHS.
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+1👍🏻. It’s your body, you choose. No one should be forced by any way or means whatsoever.
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Ah......😁
Needs to inform friends and family then. Just ignore if he/she is taken ill with Covid. It’s by choice. No need to waste resources, risk putting anyone in danger. Move along please, nothing to worry about here........
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Vax’d folk - "Getting vaccinated may not stop us carrying the disease...."
I am optimistic that if a vaccinated person contracts the virus and recovers that with the antibodies working that any viral load will be low. Remains to be seen
Non vax'd folk - "It certainly means those folk will spread the disease..."
It depends on how they conduct themselves.
Personally I don't see it being reduced greatly until many age groups are vaccinated including the working age groups
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yes +1, it's always easier to get things done on a voluntary basis with that kind of approach than trying to enforce something with strict rules.
You just have to make people see why they should be following.
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It is early days yet but there could be all sorts of ramifications for those not willing to be vaccinated. It’s not yet known whether getting the jab prevents you spreading the disease to others. If it does then there could well be travel restricitions placed on those who have not been vaccinated. As it is, that is already the case with some diseases, e.g. yellow fever. Some countries may demand proof of vaccination to allow entry and travel insurance companies may also make such demands when providing cover.
As it currently stands, because it is not known if the COVID jab prevents disease transmission, the objective of rolling out the jab to the population can only be to try and reduce the demands on the health service.
I don't really care if people do not want to be immunised and risk their own lives as long as I can have the jab and it works in protecting me from this dreadful disease.
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We don’t tend to disagree on much Rocky, and I don’t disagree that an individual can choose how to treat their own body/ health, with a few caveats......
fine if it doesn’t impact on anyone else, either through a health risk that might be transmitted, where they are breaking the law to feed an addiction, or huge sums of money are having to be diverted to someone’s welfare for something that could be prevented, or it impacts upon loved ones and dependents leaving them traumatised.
It’s like driving down the road on the wrong side by choice. It might get you killed, it might kill an innocent other. Making the wrong choice has implications not just for the chooser. So educating, persuading, helping individuals to choose wisely is best for the greater good.....🤔🙂
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Of course it doesn’t make you a bad person, Mylo. As long as you are fully informed and understand the risks you present to yourself and others (including the NHS), then that's all there is to it unless travel restrictions or penalties of some sort crop up.
I happen to disagree with your choice but at least we have choice.
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