COVID - general discussion - Temp Locked
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Apart from illnesses that have been difficult to eradicate via scientific means eg Malaria the vast majority of major infections have been eradicated. Cranks or not once a percentage take up a vaccine the disease loses it's grip.
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Because of our age range I think / hope we should be getting our first dose of vaccine by about February. This would mean our second dose would be April or May (all pure speculation of course at this moment in time). If so we should be away in Cornwall late April - early May.
Depending on the actual dates for our jabs we would either cut our holidays slightly short at either end or drive back home and then drive back, probably the following day. It would be a round trip of 500+ miles but in the scheme of things I'd be prepared to do it. We've not driven very far this year so fuel cost isn't a major issue and driving without the caravan on the back would be relatively quick. What we wouldn't want to do is cancel our holiday completely. It's the only thing to look forward to at the moment apart from hopefully being free of the virus. This is all pre-supposing everything, including the CLs, are open in April / May.
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I support the vaccine roll out, but it is all about percentages. Here in the UK they reckon to have 80% of the population vaccinated by the end of 2021, if you take a population of some 60 million that leaves about 12 million that for whatever reason will not have been vaccinated.
Some of these will have a naturall immunity, be located in places where they have little contact with others etc, so in the grand scheme of things the chances of being close enough to an un-vaccinated person who is carrying the virus is fairly remote.
What should be of concern is travelling to countries where the roll out of the vaccine is going to take time e.g. Spain are rolling the vaccine out in 3 phases, phase 3 will not be completed until September 2021, and a recent poll suggests only 24 % of the population would have the vaccination immediately and 36 % would get the vaccination after having waited some time with 10 % refusing to be vaccinated, could be another reason to plan that staycation.
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Ministers must tread carefully to curb spread in schools
Easy - stop them coming into schools then
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a good point, and will other countries demand that those travelling into it will be vaccinated?
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Prof Hugh Montgomery, professor of intensive care medicine at University College London, said: "It is making me actually very angry now that people are laying the blame on the virus, and it is not the virus, it is people, people are not washing their hands, they are not wearing their masks."
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I think this statement by JVT is pertinent, as to when we are likely to get the first jab:-
The Government was hoping to vaccinate two million people a week to be able to lift restrictions by Easter but Jonathan Van-Tam, the Deputy Chief Medical Officer, warned supply issues could hinder the roll-out.
He said: “The only thing that is going to slow us down is batches of vaccine becoming available”, adding that there were also delays in the “fill and finish” of the vaccine – putting doses into glass vials – which was a “critically short resource across the globe”.
We could possibly be waiting a bit longer than we think. A time line in the paper at only a million a week puts us at 68 at the end of March early April. So the second jab would fall in July.
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Grand daughter who is working at Tesco before return to Notts Uni says they have noticed a marked increase in those "exempt?" from wearing masks a couple of weeks ago seem not so exempt , now it has really taken off in this are
The NHS ward sister I see when walking Rosa has said in the past ,all these "antivaxer/denyers ,could well do with giving us some help on the Virus wards ,it would also save money on PPE as they would not need it
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I imagine it's the need to break the chain of infections especially with this mutant strain that seems to be more infectious. All the studies seem to suggest that the first dose, after 2/3 weeks, gives good protection to those that have it. So the more people that can't catch it and pass it on the better chance of breaking that chain. The thought process will be that if more people in vulnerable groups have the vaccine you will start to see a steady decrease in hospital admissions and more importantly deaths which are more prevalent in that group. Much of the action that has been taken in regard to COVID is to reduce the impact on the NHS. Vaccinating the vulnerably, 60+ and key workers help to slow the rate of infection but it won't get rid of COVID just make it more manageable. By and large people under the age of 60 who are relatively healthy are not badly affected by the virus. I am sure the plan is to give everyone the vaccine eventually. As to who these scientist are I am not sure, but but I am sure a Google will furnish their names including an ex PM who has also been promoting the idea. Whilst the current administration won't admit they have listened they seem to have accepted the logic.
David
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sorry I was talking about in a few month's time under the scenario you gave
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Our local medical centre web site gives links on an "all you want to know" basis to information about vaccines etc. This is quite a good one (specially for former PMs and other experts
) I think the information is out there for anyone who delves into the internet. Vaccine Knowledge LINK
(related to various disease control)
I presume, thanks to the NHS that this standard info is on all local medical centre web sites?
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CG, ask yourself which nation is built upon individual rights and freedoms, and then consider just how well it is coping with astronomical case rates and the worst death rates in the whole World, by a very wide margin? You could throw in the right to bear arms as well and that would give you another deaths statistic.
It’s partly the fact that many UK individuals put their self importance and lack of restraint in front of considering others that we are in the bad situation we are at the moment.
If this virus killed the thick and selfish it would seem if not kinder, then at least fairer. But it doesn’t, the vulnerable for one reason or another are the ones dying.
I don’t argue with your right not to want the vaccine. But I might just campaign to keep your choice away from others who are more sensible, or make you pay more for your insurance. (With exemptions for those who cannot have the vaccine for medical reasons)
Being on front line care for a month might focus a few more minds as well........
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As I understand it the vaccine does not prevent the virus being caught. It is said to prevents those that have been inoculated becoming very ill and possibly dying.
It seems at present it is not known if it will stop onward transmission, and if it does not then the rate of infection will not be slowed but the effects will be lessened.
Could the thought process simply be that by giving some protection with just one dose the number of people needing to be hospitalised will be decreased and that will relieve the NHS of some of the current burden.
Generally we are in agreement but it strikes me as a reaction to a crisis which may have repercussions if the virus finds a way past the half measure.
Incidentally there is no plan at present to vaccinated any one below 50 unless they are known to be vulnerable.
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To put the record straight i never said I was against vaccination but that people have the freedom to choose to without being called thick or selfish. As someone on here has already mentioned there have been numerous televised debates about vaccination and quite a few people on them opposed it so are they all thick and selfish NO. All I am saying is everyone has the right to their own opinion without being called names otherwise we have a dictatorship.
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Its a fine line
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The Spanish Gov announced? a couple of days ago ,that they were going to put any one who does not take up the offer of a vacine against covid ,that their names would be "put on the list"(not the Dads army one) and made available to other nations ,
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Well judging by the latest reports on the percentage of people not willing to have the vaccine in Spain in the short to medium term it will be a very big list, in any case the EU are dragging their heels when it comes to approving the Oxford vaccine, approval now not expected until February, so roll out in Spain is going to be slow anyway
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CG, ask yourself which nation is built upon individual rights and freedoms, and then consider just how well it is coping with astronomical case rates and the worst death rates in the whole World, by a very wide margin?
ttda, Although the actual number of deaths in the world is led by the USA, the deaths/million of population for the USA are actually slightly lower than ours.
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The way I see it...
If enough folks exercise their right to not have the jab, and we all go back to ‘normal’ after the vaccination program, the virus will rip through the unvaccinated, resulting in more deaths>restrictions>lockdowns. What then for the freedoms of the vaccinated?
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