COVID - general discussion - Temp Locked
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You have said on this forum that you do not watch television so you will not have seen these people physically abusing our police force when all they were trying to do was to persuade these people to return to their cabs so that they could systematically test each driver and then send them on their way, if this had taken place on the other side of the channel the police force would have been firing rubber bullets into the crowd, and dont forget, many of our forces personell, police force and civilians could now be spending their Christmas at the port of Dover trying to sort out a situation that was not of their making
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It is very quiet from the French side where i expect many lorries are also stuck because of that countries politicians shutting the borders , ,or as seen in the past the law enforcement agencies are not an easy target as they will not stand it
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Good so you will seen the reports where it took 6 policeman to haul 1 man into a police van who had been abusing people who were just trying to help, and in so doing putting themselves at risk of catching covid-19, that is what is "disgusting"
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In theory and for the most part in practice elite sports people are working in such a way as eliminate the risk of them catching the virus and spreading it should they do so. There is far more risk from people such as shop workers spreading the infection especially as there is so many of them by comparison. The biggest spreaders have been the teens and young adults especially since they reopened the schools, colleges and Unis.
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Elite sports don't eliminate the risk entirely whatever their practices and regimes. Take Lewis Hamilton as an example.
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So it took the might of the British Army, NHS, UK Police force and some Polish fire fighters to clear up the mess at the port of Dover, all sacrificing their Christmas to clean up a situation that was not of our making. My daughter who is NHS said most of the truckers were just grateful for the tenacity shown by all, and were just glad to be on the move again despite having to endure some very difficult conditions.
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Well, with the Premier League now joining lower divisions of English football in having a match postponed, along with international and domestic rugby and England's cricket tour of SA affected, it's surely becoming more difficult to justify? But the success rate (or otherwise) of the protocols was not really the point I was making. I was asking on what grounds, other than, as CY said "money talks", is "elite" sport being excepted when it will inevitably increase risks? (And I say that as a keen follower of almost any sport as Mrs M would doubtless roll her eyes and sigh!
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Just thought I would post an update on Mum’s first Covid vaccine jab. I appreciate that most folks on here are sensible, rational and are likely to give a deal of thought into most things, but if it helps anyone wavering over a decision as to whether or not to have the vaccine, then I hope it helps.
Mum is nearly 92, physically not to bad, but has dementia, so needs a lot of daily help. She has done really well this year, but of course some of her favourite things to do haven’t been possible. No shopping trips, only one carefully controlled short holiday, no seeing her few remaining friends, no contact with other members of family other than us, her two daughters, and son in law.
She waited patiently in line for around 10 minutes, with a hall spaced but full of similar aged folks, many much frailer than her. The air of excitement was astonishing, they all felt that at last it was happening, a first step to getting back to a degree of normality. Answered a few basic questions, made sure of identity, then it was sleeve up, ten seconds of painless needle, sleeve down, thank you for coming, and then a short sit down, (much like you do when giving blood), a leaflet to read about possible side effects. Didn’t see anyone at all making a fuss, having any problems at all. They all just got on with it.
We have kept a close eye on Mum over Christmas, looking for anything out of ordinary. Happy to report, not a thing. Not even any ache at Site of injection, no temperature, nothing. She is well up for her second dose, counting down the days. We can’t wait until we are all sorted, and can then try and do a bit more, rules permitting.
All I can say, is if you can have the jab, (nothing medical preventing it) then it’s a positive step, and not one to worry over. Hope this helps👍
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We have quite a few elderly people living nearby and I haven't met a single one who isn't looking forward to having the vaccine.
This generation grew up with illnesses and diseases that have virtually been eradicated due to vaccines and improvements in medicine, such as Polio and Typhoid, Ricketts and Smallpox etc. For sure Big Pharma didn't cover itself in glory with Thalidomide and some of that generation still harbour doubts about vaccination, which we see in refusal for Rubella jabs, for example. Nevertheless this virus is serious business and I agree with AD that there should be some consequence for those that can have the vaccine but point blank refuse. The overall health of a Nation comes well before their interest.
Having the freedoms that we do have come with responsibility and if people refuse to take personal responsibility then the state should step in when those peoples inactions could cause death to others.
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I have to disagree on compulsion Wherenext and regarding Spain, mentioned by AD I can remember the Franco era with armed soldiers watching people on the the streets, there may still be a remnant of that over there. Once we get a certain percentage vaccinated this will offer enough protection. Vaccines are rarely 100% effective so it depends on numbers and apart from those who can't have the vaccine I would imagine the voluntary uptake will be enough to stem the outbreak. But who knows, we've been hit by something deadly and it's going to take a very long time to see a worldwide recovery.
Good to hear about your Mum TDA, it will be good when we start hearing about lots more having the vaccination.
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How about being positive and recognising that most will want the vaccine and the higher percentage that take it up the better the herd immunity. I think it's around 95% needed, so I'm sure we'll reach that target if the system runs well.
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Amazing, !!!, when this covid thing kicked off many moons ago, i suggested using the army to focus minds on lock down etc and was castigated for even suggesting we should become more focused on this as in countries such as Spain, South Korea, Australia, and here we are suggesting
"How about stopping benefits"
that will go down well then, when the children of those parents you have just stopped their benefits have no food on the table
"cancelling passports or driving licences?
so will this if dad makes a living from driving public transport or is a long distance continental driver
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I'm all for the vaccine and can't wait to get to get it and for everyone else so that we can all get back to normal and our trips away.
However I wouldn't want my heath and safety bought at such a high price by the state effectively forcing people to take the vaccine against their own wishes and causing any suffering, like from withholding benefits, that would be caused by the methods you suggest.
I think as Brue says enough will want to take it anyway.
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Of course not to what?
I'm sorry but I'm not sure what you're paying a £1000 for?
As I said I would not want my life and health paid for by someone else suffering by having no money or food. That would be abhorrent to me and not worth it.
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Personally i think the uptake will be much greater than people estimate so not a problem for my "front line" relatives except they are now involved in rolling out the vaccine, so the greater the uptake the more work they will have to do, but they will have the advantage of getting the vaccine early.
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With almost 1000 deaths recorded yesterday and 50000+ new cases for the second day in a row (even allowing for catching up on under reporting over Christmas) and with an easier to administer vaccine now approved, why is our esteemed Health Secretary still messing around with different tiers for different areas in England? Surely time to lock down again for everyone's long term benefit?
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What has just struck home is the fact announced today that the interval between the 2 doses should be 12 weeks. I am unsure if the 12 weeks is set in stone but if this is the case then I can see it causing problems for people who may be away on holiday (like ME!) when the second dose needs to be administered. I'm sure there are a few on here that are planning on going abroad when that 12 week period comes around.
Conundrums abound.
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