Extra security

troutlegs
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edited July 2020 in Motorhomes #1

Happy Friday allcool

As thefts of vehicles are on the rise as per our insurers. For our motorhome we are looking to purchase a Milenco wheel clamp £136 the type that fits over the wheel. Anyone out there using one? All advise welcome on any type of extra security.

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  • Tinwheeler
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    edited July 2020 #2

    Is this for when you park at home/in storage rather than on site? I’d not recommend one for site use both from the point of view of it being a right pain every time you want to move the van and for the weight which will need to be carted around reducing your payload.

    You'll find some info regarding wheel clamps for caravans (not many people use them on MHs) in the following link-

    https://www.caravanclub.co.uk/advice-and-training/taking-care-of-your-outfit/caravan-security/

    Have you considered a steering wheel lock which is also a visual deterrent? It can easily be carried in the van when out and about and can be used home or away without hassle.

  • SeasideBill
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    edited July 2020 #3

    Any security is better than none, but seems to me that most of those mechanical security devices can be overcome by a determined thief with an angle grinder or crow bar often leaving much damage in their wake. Alarms are just an annoyance going off for no reason in the middle of the night and most folks ignore them. Factory immobilisers are easily overcome with gizmos plugged into the diagnostic port. 

    I’ve fitted a tracker with a series of sensors that will trigger alarms (SMS message to my mobile) for excessive vibration, battery disconnection or vehicle moved. It also includes the option to trigger a relay connected to whatever you want to immobilise the vehicle e.g. fuel pump. They’re tiny and can easily be hidden in the dash board. At least if it’s taken, they won’t need to do too much damage to take it and I’ve got a fighting chance of recovering it. Mine cost around  £60, similar amount for gps service each year and about £12 for 50 SMS messages.

  • DavidKlyne
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    edited July 2020 #4

    I had an unfortunate experience with a Milenco wheel lock on a previous caravan when it jammed! Must have been good as it wasn't easy to get off. I had the jack the van up and deflate the tyre inorder to get a spanner to the wheel nuts. Once the whole thing was removed it was easy enough to disengage. 

    With our motorhomes we have gone down the route of having a Strikeback alarms fitted by VanBitz. Not cheap but highly regarded.

    David

  • no one
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    edited July 2020 #5

    I have one of these for at home, wheel trims have to be removed to fit it properly though.

    Nemesis wheel clamp

  • no one
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    edited July 2020 #6

    And now I have one of these for carry on security which is easy and quick to fit without having to remove the wheel trims and fits to any of my wheels to compliment the steering wheel strong arm I always use

    Sealey wheel clamp

  • Bobbywoody
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    edited November 2020 #7

    I have the auto-watch Ghost Immobilizer fitted to my camper van, (£399 fitted).

    Before you can start the engine you have to put a special code in by using the buttons on your steering wheel or you can link your phone via an app to the immobilizer to start the engine.

    No gizmo by a thief would be able to get round this.

    I watched a program a few weeks ago about car thieves and they can  steal a vehicle with a tracker they can block the tracker signal and then use a device to locate the tracker(s).

     

     

     

  • cyberyacht
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    edited November 2020 #8

    I expect Southdowns Motorhomes wish they had fitted an alarm. They had a Burstner Lyseo TD 736 Harmony Line stolen overnight.

  • JimE
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    edited November 2020 #9

    I keep my MH in a barn about a mile from my house.  To save having to check it every day or two, I have recently installed a Vodafone Curve GPS tracker in my motorhome.  I use the associated app on my smartphone to monitor its location and use the "saved zones" feature which sends my phone an alert if the MH moves outside a user-defined perimeter.

    This set up works very well for me as my storage has an EHU so although the tracker has its own battery which lasts about 5 days, I can plug it into my mains supply to keep it fully charged.  Alternatively if EHU isn't available, the tracker can be recharged via a USB lead off the solar powered 12v system.

    The Curve cost me £20 to buy, but there is currently a Black Friday deal for £12.  It costs £2 a month to run, added to a Vodafone mobile account.

     

      

  • Navigateur
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    edited November 2020 #10

    I had a well protected motor caravan sized vehicle stolen a few years ago.   It was simply winched onto a recovery vehicle . . !

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited November 2020 #11

    Have you had a dry run by moving it outside it’s expected zone to test it works Jim?

  • SteveL
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    edited November 2020 #12

    We have a vodaphone automotive tracker on our MH, unfortunately a bit more expensive than your curve.☹️ The insurance company insisted. Besides it's backup, ours is powered by the cab battery and this is maintained by solar. It came with a couple of fobs that attach to the key ring. No fob and an alert is sent as soon as it moves

  • eurortraveller
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    edited November 2020 #13

    You are in bed, in pyjamas, asleep, it's the middle of the night...you get an alert that your Motorhome stored somewhere has moved...then what do you do?  

  • Rufs
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    edited November 2020 #14

    Hope your insurance premiums are up to date and that you have all the right cover laughing

  • SteveL
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    edited November 2020 #15

    In our case the alert would come from vodaphone, not sure if text or voice. It is easy to check on the App that it is on the move and it is not a false alarm. I would check that they had informed the police. There is not much more I could do. I don't think it is worth the risk to go chasing after it.

  • Rufs
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    edited November 2020 #16

    Wow!! seems a bit wishy washy to me...

    "in our case the alert would come from vodaphone, not sure if text or voice"

    "I would check that they had informed the police".

    would vodaphone inform the police?, my guess is at this stage they do not know whether it is a false alarm or not ? e.g. you could be moving it and forgotten to switch off the tracker.

    by the time you get to this stage your RV is bombing down the nearest motorway or holed up in a lock up some where, were they are removing the tracker etc.

    "I don't think it is worth the risk to go chasing after it."

    so the only good thing to come out of this is the fact that lying in your bed in your PJ's you know that somebody has nicked your RV.

    I guess looking on the bright side, if the thieves are not that bright and are not aware that a tracking system is installed, they will go whereever and the police should be able to trace ?

  • SteveL
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    edited November 2020 #17

    Originally I had just asked for an alarm to be fitted. However, I couldn't get insurance without an approved tracker. To be honest, if it is stolen I would rather not have it back.

    We can't move it and accidentally set it off, as a fob is with each set of keys, it is always on just not alarming. I put I would check if they had informed the police as I suspect they would want some sort of confirmation from me, that It wasn't a malfunction and I was driving it. However, if I'm in bed and it's moving out of Nottinghamshire on the App map, it has clearly been nicked and I would contact them immediately, along with the insurance company.

    You are wrong in your statement that the only good thing to come out of It is the fact I know it's been nicked. The main advantage is that it is insured because it has the tracker!!

    One thing I do like is that because it is always recording we can call up our journeys on google maps, with dates and times. 

     

  • Rufs
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    edited November 2020 #18

    You are wrong in your statement that the only good thing to come out of It is the fact I know it's been nicked. The main advantage is that it is insured because it has the tracker!!

    Yup , good point, my caravan, although on a hard standing next to bungalow has to have hitch lock and wheel lock for insurance to be valid, but as demonstrated many times, both are easy to remove.

  • SeasideBill
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    edited November 2020 #19

    Despite all the urban myths about how easy it is for thieves to steal vehicles, identifying a vehicle fitted with a tracker isn’t easy unless using sophisticated kit like an electronic sweeper. In that event the thief is more likely to move on to the next vehicle, rather than spend time trying to locate/remove a tiny (credit card sized) device hidden in an inaccessible space in the knowledge their actions will ping an instant alert somewhere. Trackers can be activated by vibration, power disconnect as well as movement. They can also be used to disable the vehicle after theft e.g. disable the fuel pump a few miles up the road which will inconvenience the thief.

    To overcome the prospect of a tracker most thieves move the stolen vehicle a short distance, park it up, then return a few days later to remove the vehicle if satisfied nobody is watching it. In the interim you’ve got a reasonable chance of vehicle recovery with minimal damage.

  • JimE
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    edited November 2020 #20

    In my case, my phone is kept downstairs overnight, so I wouldn't find out until first thing in the morning.  However, the Curve tracker keeps a log of the vehicles whereabouts (every 5 mins approx), so I could check that via the app and hopefully would have a good idea where the MH was!.

    Not foolproof but saves me having to physically check the MH is still stored safely.

  • EasyT
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    edited November 2020 #21

    I took the hitch lock discount off as I prefer the Alko axle lock and was happier not to also use hitch lock

  • SeasideBill
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    edited November 2020 #22

    Yes, also handy for keeping a remote eye on van/leisure battery voltage & temperature.

  • rayjsj
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    edited November 2020 #23

    I use a Milenco wheelclamp on my Motorhome,  as well as a steering wheel lock. The wheelclamp is heavy, and is quite fiddly to put on and take off, So I only use it when stored by my house. It would take an angle grinder which is very noisy, yes, not impossible.but NOT a quick up and away.

     

  • Philnffc
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    edited November 2020 #24

     

    Many years ago before retiring I worked for a well known newspaper and in that time had the misfortune of interviewing a professional car thief, he explained that he had the tools to cut through all security devise's if he had time and most if not all were top brand names but the only security  thing he would walk away from because of the time factor of over an hour to crack was the good old motorbike chain that goes through the wheel. So since he told me that I have attached a motorbike chain to my motorhome one way or another.

    Hope this helps

    Phil

  • SeasideBill
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    edited November 2020 #25

    Doesn’t sound like the brightest of thieves! You can buy professional tools off-the-shelf to split mc chains. Alternatively use a good hacksaw and/or file or grind off the rivet heads - not difficult.

  • EasyT
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    edited November 2020 #26

    I think we are no talking drive chains here. If you want to cut through a high security chain with a hack saw you may want to take a flask of coffee to keep you going

  • JVB66
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    edited November 2020 #27

    I understand via our neighbourhood watch police team that rechargeable angle grinders are the low lifes "key"of choice,  as they can normally gain access to most targets , and  can be very quick removing  security devices and patio doors on houses

  • SeasideBill
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    edited November 2020 #28

    In that case I agree. However, not necessarily much of a deterrent unless you buy the right product e.g. something with a high ‘sold secure’ rating tested to survive 5 minute angle grinder, lump hammer and HSS drill attacks etc,

  • SeasideBill
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    edited November 2020 #29

    As well as portable angle grinders, I understand a small blow torch works wonders on plastic LV windows and UVPC house windows/doors - much quieter than an angle grinder.

  • Ne10
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    edited November 2020 #30

    From a purely practical standpoint, a very easy and relatively cheap method of enhancing motorhome security is to spin the driver’s seat and lock it in that position. 

  • JimE
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    edited November 2020 #31

    Sorry for the late reply Rocky, I missed it when you first posted.

    Yes, I have had an alert when I drove it down to my house prior to a trip away before this last lockdown.

    I also had a couple of spurious alerts when I first got it, due to the GPS signal returning slightly erroneous coordinates, but this was easily resolved by enlarging the radius of my saved zone.

    All in all, not a bad piece of kit for £20 and a lot better than an in-built tracker draining my vehicle battery.