The future
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I have 12 year old V70 diesel and if I am still on this mortal coil by 2030 I will probably still have it.
mine is 7 years old, but some of this could work in our favour, as time progresses there could be a lot of newer models up for sale as second hand used by people who want to shift to an all electric. A lot of these could be good tow cars, there are lot of heavy weight suv's out there only used to take the kids to school, not sure which way the MH market will go .
I think of a bigger concern is the charge per mile being banded about. Being a relatively low mileage user i am in favour of this, but not at £1.10 pence per mile which is being quoted.
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I would think the majority of LV owners already find the majority of sites are very customer friendly ,and in places that there are enough staff and unusual and/or lease requiremts , that is also catered for, if there was any "problems"on sites it would be "advised " by the site mamagers to their regional mangers for attention of the senior department managers/directors ,
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What I have not read or heard about on TV or radio is where is all the extra land going to come from at motorway service areas. Even with the most rapidly charging system the time to 'fill up' will, I am sure, be much longer than putting in a few litres of petrol or diesel so potentially queues building up far more than they currently do at the pumps. And, of course, those pumps will have to remain there for the many vehicles still on the road that need liquid fuel so a new charging area will have to be constructed.
There is also the question of what do drivers do whilst they wait for their vehicle to be charged. I assume that far larger facilities in the form of restaurants or coffee bars will have to be built to accommodate the greater number of users.
As far as diesel fuel is concerned I think it will still be available for many years to come. The oil companies will make certain of that. There will always be a need for it from transport companies from the white van man to the heavy haulage operators. If we take a 'white van' for example the weight of a full tank diesel will be in the region of 80 to 100kg. The battery for a small electric car weighs in at over 300kg (fully charged or flat) so what weight a battery for a van? If one is generous and said it would only be about 500kg that is one very big reduction in the possible payload of the vehicle. Nett result, transport prices go up and more vans on the road to allow the full quantity of goods to be transported.
Talking to a guy a couple of days ago who has an electric Nissan, he told me he has to plan his journeys very carefully so that he can recharge on route but also, the bit that he was disappointed in, was that whilst he used to drive at 80+ on the motorways (I know that is illegal), but now he is limited to 60 to 70mph.
I'm not against electric vehicles per se but I think there is far more to the problem than just being able to produce the cars. Unfortunately I don't think I will be around to see what happens in years to come although I'd like to think I'm still here.
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I think of a bigger concern is the charge per mile being banded about. Being a relatively low mileage user i am in favour of this, but not at £1.10 pence per mile which is being quoted.
Rufs, I 've not seen that figure mentioned, it seems very high. Fuel cost for my Mondeo is about £0.16 per mile and that includes all government tax and duty. If you are correct, it will stop a lot of people driving. It would put my annual fuel costs up from about £1,300 to almost £9,000. Are you sure it is the price per mile not the price per kW of electric?
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I think it was a quote from the press, John, where it was said charges of 'up to' £1.50 p/m were under consideration. I'd not worry too much yet.
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My first thought was words are cheap.
He is a man who likes a bit of Hyperbolic, with the emphasis very much on the second part.
I thought, what a nice catchy headline to take away all of the other mess they are in at the moment.
Like others I think the logistical problems will be too much to meet this deadline. Great for cities but rural areas are years and years away from even having a couple of points for PCs in the near vicinity. I know that one can use your own at home but that is rather limiting.
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I did read some of the typically sensational press drivel. I could not read it all as I am largely a low salt person and it would have required at least half a teaspoon full to enable digestion. Can't remember now but the lowest price talked about was at least 10% of of the highest
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I would worry, the last labour government had similar ideas, ok the price per mile was much less, and that was why i was in favour of it when a green paper was produced, but now we are talking about forcing petrol and diesel cars off the road and what better way to do that than hike up the cost of driving one
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One of the suggested addendums is the first 5,000 miles are free, another suggestion being rural dwellers away from bus routes will be able to apply for extra miles free. So it isn’t being actively considered now but the beginning on a national conversation👍🏻
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take as much salt as you need, two quotes from a very wide range of articles from all major press feeds. Although scrapped last time due to public pressure, this time things will be considerably different.
"Under Tony Blair, Labour abandoned the unpopular idea of a national road pricing scheme amid fury at drivers potentially being charged up to £1.50 a mile. A petition against the plans reached 1.8 million signatures"
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The chancellor, Rishi Sunak, is reportedly looking at a ‘pay-by-the-mile’ tax scheme for motorists to plug the gap in fuel duty as the electric car initiatives would put a stop to £40bn of annual tax revenue.
According to The Times, Sunak is “very interested” in a road pricing scheme and it comes after reports this weekend suggested the government is looking to bring forward the new petrol and diesel car ban to 2030.
A ‘pay as you drive’ scheme was last explored by the Labour government in 2007 but was scrapped due to opposition from motorists"
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HMG have got to recoup the loss of tax revenue from fossil fuel powered vehicles
Drive at a per mile cost to all vehicles which will get most ICE powered vehicles off the road unless fuel duty is scrapped
.or keep fuel duty and scrap all road tax,
or tax EVs by power output
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I am not sure we should get over excited about it. We knew that it was on its way but now earlier than first thought. Petrol and diesel cars will still be around until at least 2040 if not beyond. Electric cars will probably become cheaper as production numbers grow. I would love one but not prepared to spend that sort of money for something I don't use a lot. Charging infrastructure might be an issue but we have 10 years to get than in place. Here in MK that infrastructure is quite well developed. All electric cars can be charged overnight by means of what they call "granny chargers", via a 13 amp plug. Obviously there are issues with people that can only keep their cars roadside.
Road pricing makes sense because you can't tax the fuel an electric vehicle uses in the same way as you can a petrol or diesel as unlike a filling station you could be charging at home or in a car park. Obviously the proof of the pudding will be in how they set up the road charging regime. Originally in 2007 the idea was to charge to ease congestion so you could get different mileage charge depending on day and time of day. Technology is such that it is easy to track a vehicle. As an add on it might stop a lot of vehicle crime? The future might not be Orange but quite exciting none the less!!!
David
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I believe the AA & RAC are not against it as they see it as a fairer way to charge going forward. But the motorist organisations are asking for a minimum of the roads being acceptable not just a series of potholes with a bit of road around them👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻
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That’s the thing, Rufs, it’s all 'reportedly'. They’re looking at it and, yes, it will very likely come in my opinion but, until something concrete is known, there’s no point in grinding our teeth and tearing our hair. Speculation will not help and will only serve to engender worry.
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Many places in many cities/towns/villages have the problem of parking at or even near their property we would need min 50mtr lead WHEN? we can park outside our house and it would still have to cross a public footpath and two grass verges our garage is about 200yds from the house and no way of getting a permanent electric supply to it,
It is time those being listened to at HMG stopped their "blue sky thinking" and accepted that what they "want"is not affordable but that maybe self charging hybrids is as near as they are going to get ,
Even the money "promised " is only a tiny percentage of what the White Elephant called HS2 may cost in the end
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I think any government needs to take a hard serious look at how our taxes are spent quite frankly. Far too much of government spending (essentially public money) is ending up on over priced consultancies, glory projects and into the pockets of private and mainly overseas companies. The wastage and very dodgy costing of outsourced projects is frankly disgusting, and sadly the British public doesn’t seem to care to be honest.
I for one would be quite happy to pay more tax, but only if it was ring fenced for specific spending, such as NHS, public roads, public rail infrastructure. But I am not happy how things are managed at the moment. Cannot believe some of the shenanigans happening with Covid contracts. And don’t mention the wastage on Brexit stuff😡
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I've been in the electrical trade for about 50years .there is no way the infrastructure will be in place .streets of terraced houses block's of flats it will be impossible for this to happen to charge all these cars ,people tripping over leads suing somebody for broken limbs etc.also the capacity of the national grid is on border line now.people will be wiring up these points for charging themselves to save money as they will be paying a heavy price by qualified trades and fires will be a problem.I know we need greener alternatives but mining all these precious metals is not good for the planet either.
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I believe the AA & RAC are not against it as they see it as a fairer way to charge going forward.
Whether people agree with it or not, one has to agree that it would be a fairer system. The people who drive or ride on the roads should pay for them. I always thought that it would have been more fair to increase the tax on fuel rather than charge for Vehicle Tax. At least it would catch the people who don't bother to pay for Vehicle Tax.
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You are posting items from these press reports and saying we should be worried. In my book that's speculating and scaremongering.
not at all, i am saying nothing, that is up to the individual to decide after digesting what is published, personally all i am doing is highlighting now what is possible in the not too distant future, better to start embracing this now than to be totally thrown when it is presented to us as a given rather than an option.
ICE or non ICE or how we are charged for e.g. the continued use of ICE vehicles will surely shape the future of caravaning/Mh*ing /tenting , or should we just say our leisure pursuits in general.
What i am suggesting rather than saying, is that what is proposed could be very challenging for the likes of you and me, who enjoy Mh'ing/carvaning.
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I’m with you 100%👍🏻, ‘you play you pay’, frugal folk will gain the profligate will pay extra it’s the fairest way👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻
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Result👍🏻😎
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How will mileage done be recorded I wonder?
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The report I saw, if it’s to be believed, reckoned we'd all have black boxes in our cars tracked by satellite 🤷🏻♂️
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