The future
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+1👍🏻, it was a driving factor for me to sell the LV i’d bought new 3years earlier to go back to camping. I never new of the C&CC then. I’m happy with full commercial due to the fact prior to covid the atmosphere on commercial sites was a revelation in comparison. It was the reverse of C&MC sites. The sooner the bulk of the boomer generation have moved on the better for the C&MC & the atmosphere on sites. This is based on my personal view of what I found.
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I'm not sure what point JVB is making but we need to hope the future includes both clubs. This isn't meant to be an inter club 'battle' as there is room and a need for both. Each club has pros and cons but this was about the reasons C&CC calls itself the Friendly Club, that's all.
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I can understand some of the tenters or possibly small campervans spending more time outside. The areas used by tents end to be away from us on hardstanding. Much of the year we tend to be off site during the day. When temperature reach around 30f we are often back earlier looking for shade.
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I can think of many😳🤣
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I do think the fact that having more tent units encourages a more outdoor approach, and lends itself to more social interaction. It was certainly the case for us when we primarily used a small private Site for years in Cornwall. Tents, campers, caravans all pitched up together, also a mix of British and overseas visitors gave a lovely atmosphere, and whilst you did get the odd ‘awkward” visitor, things were quickly sorted out by owners. Lots of different age groups as well, from early 20’s, family groups, right through to pensioners.
CAMC Club Sites in the main are predominantly far removed from this most of the time. Newer, very expensive outfits, neat perfectly pitched rows, semi manicured grounds, clientele almost exclusively white, over 50’s British, very aware of belonging to a paid Membership organisation, with uniformed staff reflecting this demographic in charge. Anyone not fitting this image carries a slight air of “not quite us”. (Not intended to be a complaint or a criticism, it’s just an observation of generally, how things are). It is a quite tough environment for anyone different to consider embracing, looking in from the outside. To break this down would/will take time, finances, determination and research, a huge amount of persuasion of existing membership. Who can and will question each and every change they perceive.............more tents? Different types of accommodation? None Members on Sites? Play areas? Change of name? Etc...
A balancing act for the Club to keep happy it’s existing core, who love what they get, but a must do in terms of attracting new, younger Members to future proof the organisation.
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TDA, you have listed in your 2nd para the very reasons we joined C&CC rather than CAMC 50 years ago🥺. It wasn't until retirement loomed and we wanted a bigger spread of sites that we joined CAMC. I like their sites but I'd not miss anything else in CAMC.
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Perhaps " The Aspiring Club"
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I do not see that many "younger members?" use any sites when it seems the majority who post on here tend to take advantage of discounts ,on all sites both here and on the continent
I seem to think that the both clubs and many commercial sites the staff wear corporate image clothing , ,the staff employed to run(CC) sites will need to have been members and have used club sites to get a "feel" of them and are "expected" to have some time on a site to see what is involved rather than the perception that some would like to think the job entails
I can always remember the owner of Milestones site (Newark) when some cc warden friends and us stayed there,i think he now owns another site not sure of name (fields end water?)
said to us As an owner i can have on who i want and if they break my "code of conduct" they are told to leave , where as you (to our friends)will have to jump through hoops if you get complaints or have problems with members on any cc sites you run
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In terms of deciding how you can promote your Club and have a point of difference with the Caravan and Motorhome Club how do you achieve that? You can't compete on size, more often than not you can't compete on site facilities, you are not completely free to select your own pitch, they charge a deposit on bookings, your forum is even worse than this one, so you are left with planting doubt that something as large as the CMC can't be as friendly as the smaller C&CC? It's just a marketing ploy. Like others I have yet to see how the idea of it being more friendly translates into the experience you have on a C&CC site compared to a CMC site? Personal interaction with other guests on site is just that, personal. Some are happy to chat or say hello whilst others want to keep themselves to themselves. For us campsites are there to enable us to explore the area near the campsite. If I wanted more person to person interaction, beyond a casual good morning, I would join a rally.
David
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We joined purely for access to a loo! Our first little camper didn’t have one, so we used Sites with, back in the 80’s. Rolled into North Ledaig, they told us if we joined we got a discount and showed us list of other Sites. Somewhere in Killin was next, same tour, that was nice. We didn’t stay at Yellowcraig as another site in North Berwick was friendlier, but we did stand our ground at Berwick Seaview, and convinced Wardens that it was a proper camper van, our Rottweiler wasn’t going to eat anyone, and we were slightly older than we looked. We actually had to demonstrate how the camper roof popped up, show them the cooker and the sink. Talk about snobbery and exclusivity, it wasn’t easy back in those days being very young Club Members.
We didn’t use many Club Sites back in those days, and preferred the Trax ones on racecourses. We had a break from Club after that first year, as we found two or three Private Cornish Sites that suited us more with a caravan. Friends convinced us to rejoin, and we used Marazion back in the days before it had hook ups in paddock. We did use a lot of CLs though. We’ve used more Club Sites in last ten years really, got our favourites, tried a few more. It’s an age thing I suppose, you know outside of school holidays they will be quiet, facilities will be clean and well maintained, it’s easy to book without a penalty. We would possibly use more if they weren’t so expensive compared with CLs and some private sites.
C&CC? Joined at Haltwhistle, we needed a Northumberland Site, cheaper to join. Just as amusing in terms of how things must be done, but there were more tent friendly CS sites so it suited as I did a couple of camping stays each year with my Sister. I think we were only Members for a couple of years. Haltwhistle is the only Club Site of theirs we have used. But have used some Listed Sites that don’t require membership.....
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That’s one of the big differences with both Clubs, and the CAMC and private Sites. This Club likes to corral tents elsewhere, usually at the furthest point from the loo block, it can tend to give the air of “second class users”. It’s a ruddy long trek up that hill at Lower Wensleydale, especially in the dark😂
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I have no experience of C&CC sites ET, other than Haltwhistle, and we were only ones there. Are tents not allowed on HS pitches?(Assuming you can get pegs into gravel etc....)
We didn’t have a loo tent back in 80’s as we moved every day in camper. You got a full nights kip without needing to visit as well when young!😁
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To the best of my belief, every unit type can book any pitch type - HS, grass, EHU, non-EHU, jumbo 🤷🏻♂️
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Thanks Tinny. I have a bit of experience with Camping in the Forest Sites. We used to stay at Beddgelert, pre C&CC days. You just pitched up anywhere with a small tent. We woke one morning to find we were an “additional hazard” on some MTB competition🤣We moved😁 We had a nice couple of weeks there in caravan by the river as well, before Club got involved. Never went back, although we did look in last year. Touring pitches are awful now, dark, shady, and midges everywhere. ☹️
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OK, I amend my words to say that to the best of my belief, every unit type can book any pitch type from those available. Better?🙄
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