Meeting friends
What are the Club's guidelines on meeting up with friends from another outfit for drinks/meals?
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I would have thought that the general government guidance should be applied, unless the site is subject to other local lockdown rules. This I believe states ( for England) that up to 6 people from a maximum of two households can meet indoors, still 6 but from more than two households in an out door space, but social distancing applies in all cases.
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There are no club guidelines if you're both members already on site. This then comes under the government's Covid 19 advice about meeting non family members and common sense.
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I agree that government guidelines and common sense should be applied. On our one and only trip out since sites reopened, we were quite shocked to see a group of people from 5 units (at least 9 people and possibly 10) all crammed into one awning! They seemed to rotate around different awnings each evening during the 4 nights we were there!
Before anyone asks, we didn't report it to the wardens. The wardens are doing a great job in difficult circumstances and it certainly isn't their job to police this kind of thing. It's up to all of us members to use common sense and behave responsibly.
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The Club has also said No Visitors to the site, which seems to be at odds to the general Government advice. I did ask for the reasons why it had been imposed and the answer I received from a warden, which I shall not publish, seemed a little bit iffy, so I have asked the Club direct. They have acknowledged my email some weeks ago & passed it to the correct team to reply but I have not had an answer yet. I don't think many visitors generally go to Club sites under normal circumstances but we happened to be trying our first site out within walking distance of our son, who we hoped would have been able to meet us there for a coffee before setting off on foot for the day. Unfortunately not. Another camper wanted to collect their grandchildren from their mother at the site and were refused, a difficult one for some I guess. I did consider just adding our son to our booking and then he could visit all he wanted and there would be nothing wrong with that, bizarre really but we aren't ones for breaking the rules so just met him on the road instead. We felt safe on the site so stayed rather than moving us and the van to his house
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I assume the rule is there protect track & trace measures should a CV19 outbreak occur. If anybody can wander in and out it diminishes the effectiveness of that mechanism. If visitors were allowed the wardens would have the burden of additional record keeping - easier just to say no visitors.
I’ve seen plenty of visitors on sites this year on commercial sites. Presumably a good way of avoiding restrictions for some? I’m happy with the CMC policy, reduces risk for all of us.
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At weekends on some sites visitors to on site members site are very common two i can mention are Clumber park and Ferry Meadows ,and on both site it is rare that the site staff are advised or contacted by the visitors
Which would mean "Track and Trace" would not work, hence the blanket ban
Although it should be down to the members concerned to follow gov guide lines not site staff to have to police it
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Indeed they don’t. I’ve experienced both.
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I must admit As a solo caravaner I find the ban on visitors inconvenient and annoying. The argument that it is due to track and trace doesn’t hold up to me, all the club knows is the name of the person who made the booking and who arrived at the site, they would rely on that person to tell them who else was present in the van/mc during the booking period. The same would apply to visitors, the person they were visiting would known who they were.
I assume I could overcome this by making a booking for two people rather than one so that I could have one visitor any time I wanted, obviously I wouldn’t do this but I’m sure that there are those who would.0 -
It seems a completely common sense decision not to allow visitors on Club sites.For a start the Club have no control on how many visitors actually turn up on site. The toilet facilities are already under pressure from just members staying on site so if there were a lot of visitors, particularly say over a Bank Holiday Weekend, that could put an unfair strain on those facilities. If people are staying on a site to visit friends and relatives why don't they visit them if they are nearby rather than expecting them to come to the site? These are exceptional times and I do think there is a need for greater understanding from members on this issue.
David
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It's easy, yes, but people often don’t even tell the site staff they're having visitors according to JK. There needs to be some sort of control over those wandering onto sites.
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There needs to be some sort of control over those wandering onto sites.
There is, they are not admitted. I don't know about you TW but we only have one couple visit, Fliss' sister and brother in law. We always advise site and meet at reception as I am sure folk do..
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You and I abide by the rules of both common decency and the club but it seems many do not and that is why they are not admitted.
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See my post up page. I have no reason to doubt the veracity.
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I would suggest that groups of people gathering in an awning are a greater risk than one or two visitors. It would seem to me that an awning with it’s walls on could be classed as an inside space, the limit then of course is two families. Outside in the open air it would be six people. Unless of course I have got it wrong.
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Are you assuming nice weather? Where would your visitors go if its raining, into the awning maybe or even the leisure vehicle. Maybe a provision of umbrellas and stand outside, or would you send them packing.
Think I read somewhere it is now up to 15 people who can meet outside for a 'standard' meet. CAMC has rules, follow them or don't visit and meet friends/relations outside of the site.
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Based on the OP its puzzling that many of the posts are about visitors from outside the site??
So far as the OP is concerned I for one would not feel the need to consult a forum such as this as the information has been loud and clear for months now.
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I'm not sure when and if track and trace would be used in a campsite scenario. More normally it is applied to bars and other inside spaces, where you would have been in close contact with others for a period of time. The reasons for isolation in schools were on TV the other evening and these involved spending more than 15 minutes with an infected person. None of this should apply to a campsite, especially if you use your own facilities.
Perhaps to answer my own question, if 10 or 20 cases were reported from a site at a similar time, anyone on the site at those times would be told to isolate. I can't see it happening if it's just the odd one.
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Some folk may meet their visitors ,then there are sites like Clumber park where some think it is open house for visitors to visit from off site, without any thought to advise the staff, just note at weekends the amount of cars parked in the car park and along the access road
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Agree with that JVB they come in vast numbers, saves them on entry as well, unless NT members. You get quite a lot at sites like Chatsworth as well. Personally I think the main issue would be the overloading of the already limited facilities, as much as the track and trace. The folk they were visiting would be able to inform them in the case of a problem. To me it makes total sense to prohibit visitors. The sites are running full and are busy enough without any additions.
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As I understood it from JK's post, the club is required by the Govt to hold contact details for all on site for track and trace purposes. While that's easy with those staying on site, it's near impossible when visitors wander in at will.
No doubt the club would be contacted for details of fellow campers if someone was unlucky enough to go down with C19.
It's good reason to maintain social distancing on site and I'd not want to be sharing a caravan or awning space with others at present.
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Can I just ask what is so difficult about meeting family and friends OFF site?
Quite rightly, the Club has put into place guidance to protect and keep safe Members who have chosen to holiday on a Club Site. Lots of work will have gone into this, and many who trust the Club to do its best for them might just feel that having visiting family and friends compromises this tier of keeping Members safe. Same goes for two groups who are on site, and wanting to get together, but aren’t in a social bubble. You’d need a marquee rather than an awning to be adequately distanced, especially if the wine or beer starts to flow.
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I think the problem TTDA is attitudes like this. Reproduced below is a recent site review.
Large facilities block. Large queues! Once again, people queuing for toilets whilst others took leisurely showers. More cubicles blocked off than necessary. Although some would question why block off any at all. Doesn't make for a relaxing holiday. Drop the restrictions or cap the numbers you're allowing on site - you can't fill a site to capacity then close two thirds of the facilities! I've stayed at sites where you were left to use common sense and make your own judgement of risk - this 'pandemic' has brought out the very worst in authoritarians, wanting to make up petty rules and restrict others.
I really fear for us this winter if the opinions expressed above are common place.
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