Found out C&MH Club sites are expensive

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  • Unknown
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    edited July 2020 #122
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  • Cornersteady
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    edited July 2020 #123

    You are responsible for your pet’s behaviour.

    This is subjective .not objective and and such one dog owners  idea of what is being responsible is not another's

    It is most certainly not subjective, responsible is a word often used in law. It is very clear and nothing to do with what the owner or perpetrator thinks, it is what the people making the rules or laws think is responsible. As in you are are responsible for your car's safety condition. 

    Where does it say anything about leaving the dog unattended

    You must have missed that part in the next line of the club rules I posted for you?: You must make sure your pet is under control at all times. I really do think that to have a dog under control at all times must mean it has to be attended and in your view?

    But again if you, or one, doesn't like the way the club handles dog issues then one shouldn't go to club sites/ 

     

     

     

  • Cornersteady
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    edited July 2020 #124

    what is your point on your posting? If you are unhappy with any rules or guidelines you are not forced to come on those sites are you? Posting on here will change nothing, vote with your wheels and go to where you are happy.

    Or are posting to try to get the club to change to suit your own wishes.

    I also think you're twisting, or being subjective, some of those words to suit your viewpoint. For example they are not club ON SITE RULES are they?

  • Whittakerr
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    edited July 2020 #125

    Your correct, sites will be under more pressure at the moment. I've only been to one site since they re-opened, CCC site at Windermere, quite a large site. It was well managed and no queue's. 

    I am going to a CMC site next week, it will be interesting to compare procedures etc.

     

  • JVB66
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    edited July 2020 #126

    You do not seem to be quoting from the leaflet I mentionedundecided

  • Cornersteady
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    edited July 2020 #127

    I did wonder where they were taken from?

  • Twos more then one
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    edited July 2020 #128

    So which Club leaflet is that, and what does that say ?
    My information comes from the Clubs pamphlet  on dog

     

  • Cornersteady
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    edited July 2020 #129

    interesting, you posted some rules but now you say they are not club rules? 

    If the rules you posted are not from a club leaflet what is the point of you posting them as they do not apply to club sites.

    were you trying to suggest they were? 

  • JVB66
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    edited July 2020 #130

    It mentions inthe leaflet I have read,  about not leaving dogs unattended  in your vehicle, so what" leaflet" are you reading?

  • Cornersteady
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    edited July 2020 #131

    So when the law states that you are responsible for something, as it does often. Parents are legally responsible for their children's behaviour and welfare, is that subjective in the same way then? Can a parent decide what is responsible and what isn't? Of course not the law decides, In the same way the club decides not the pet owner. 

    I would say again that unless you can see your dog and are with in it is not under control. It is under its own control.

    Please state where I have been there with personal aggressive and unfriendly comments, perhaps post one before I report you for making things up about me? 

    I do not have any pets.

  • Twos more then one
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    edited July 2020 #132

    I clearly state ,On site rules 
    Why would any responsible dog owner leave their  dog in their car ,on a hot day ?
    What you do off site with you dog, neither i or the club can anything about that type of irresponsible behavior 

     

  • Cornersteady
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    edited July 2020 #133

    You talk about being unfriendly and personal comments but that first line is very offensive.

    Let's get thing clear, you posted last page:

    ON SITE RULES
     ...Being in the countryside brings its own pet etiquette, so we’ve put together some helpful tips and guides (SUBJECTIVE)  to protect you, your dog, the countryside and fellow members, so everyone can enjoy the freedom of the great outdoors. We’re sure most are second nature to you (SUBJECTIVE) as a dog owner, others are just to ensure you and your dog enjoy your stay

    Discourage excessive barking (SUBJECTIVE & ALLOWS BARKING, OWNERS DO NOT SEE AS EXCESSIVE )  .....

     

    You posted in capitals they are ON SITE RULES. But these are NOT club sites rules. They are from a helpful guide, they are simply that, not rules. The ones I posted are.

  • Cornersteady
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    edited July 2020 #134

    11. Dogs and other pets

    a. You are responsible for your pet’s behaviour. You must make sure your pet is under control at all times; dogs must be kept on a secure lead no more than 2 metres long. Please exercise your dog in the dog walk/areas, where provided.

    b. We know accidents can’t always be avoided, but in the event of fouling on your pitch please clean up quickly and use the dog bins provided. Please also follow this practice elsewhere on the site and when using the dog walks/areas.

    c. Unless you have an assistance dog (guide or hearing), dogs aren’t allowed in the toilet blocks, laundry rooms, dishwashing areas or swimming pools.

  • Whittakerr
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    edited July 2020 #135

    Oh dear, another thread that will get locked for getting too personal!

  • EasyT
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    edited July 2020 #136

    It was getting interesting with a few comparative examples as well.

  • Twos more then one
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    edited July 2020 #137

    I assume you have not used the link
    The pamphlet is broke down in to sections  and that section is the on site section 
    What the dog owner does  when off site , does not  worry  me ,as it does not effect me 

  • Twos more then one
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    edited July 2020 #138

    Maybe that is what CS aim is ?