Jump Starter Help Please

Adrian Allaway
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edited July 2020 in Motorhomes #1

We have a Devon Aztec (Peugeot Boxer 2.2Ltr Diesel) which required jump leads to start it this week after being unavailable in Storage for a few months.

We would now like to buy a jump starter kit as well that we could keep in the van and use when it is not possible to use jump leads.

We don't really know where to start looking with the different models on the market but definitely want one that is strong enough to start my size van if  we get stuck again with a flat battery.

Can anyone recommend any models that would be suitable.

Thanks for any help.

Adrian& Judith.

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  • Tinwheeler
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    edited July 2020 #2

    There are a lot of models to choose from but you need one hefty enough to cope.

    Check out Amazon and eBay or your local motor factor where you might find a knowledgeable and helpful assistant.

  • EmilysDad
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    edited July 2020 #3

    I can't offer any suggestion other than the fact if you get one of the original type large jump pack like these, they generally contain another lead acid battery which will die the death if left flat for prolonged periods and you'd be back to square one & need jumps leads & something to jump from.  

    The newer power bank jump starters seem to get a good press & are small enough to be tucked away somewhere in the motorhome charging while you drive ... and can be used to charge phones etc like this

     

    NB I just picked 2 chargers at random & not endorsing any one wink 

  • peedee
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    edited July 2020 #4

    You would be better off fitting a solar panel it will be better for the battery. If your out and about and it goes flat you probably need a new battery.

    peedee

  • EasyT
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    edited July 2020 #5

    I watched a video last year from a full time van dweller He had a small Rugged Geek RG1000 inteliboost jump starter and power supply device that he was using to power lighting and to charge phones etc. It was the size of the old video cassette. I was amazed that he was able to use it when 80% charged to cold start a 5.4 litre V8 Petrol engine van.

    However maybe start here for ideas and then read some reviews https://kit.honestjohn.co.uk/top-tens/top-10-jump-starters/

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited July 2020 #6

    We have a SP, but it does nothing in winter when the van is parked in its usual shaded spot with little or no sunlight. SP is not always the answer.

  • EasyT
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    edited July 2020 #7

    Indeed. In the 15 years I have had the X-Trail the warning, 'you have left your headlights on' buzzer has failed to operate twice. You can test it as often as you like and it always works laughing

    The first time we had met up with friends for a Sunday walk and lunch on a very cold winter's morning. Back to the car 3 hours later. The break down took almost an hour to arrive as a lot of calls. We were sat in the pub with a large cafetiere of free coffee. 

    Second time meeting OH's sister and B in Law just before Christmas.. 4 hours over coffee and then lunch at a garden centre. An employee of the centre came out with his Renault Clio and jump leads. He had to run it for 20 mins to put enough into the X-Trail battery for me to start. No way would the car start off his little battery otherwise. Before we next go away I shall replace the battery. The little device that I mentioned previously was 90 dollars US. If I had one I would want something bigger so that I could power the motormover for 80 metre or more or more.

  • peedee
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    edited July 2020 #8

    I don't have a problem and I am parked, cab facing south, under trees. In the winter there are no leaves. My panel is a 120 watt monocrystalline with an MPPT controller. Other types of panel and controllers will be less efficient. I haven't used EHU or charged any of my batteries while the motorhome has not been in use for the past four years.

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  • Tinwheeler
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    edited July 2020 #9

    Lucky for you, PD. My problem isn't trees but I suppose I could move house to change the surroundings....... There again, I could just plug into the mains and use the starter pack on the rare occasions I get it wrong.👍

  • SeasideBill
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    edited July 2020 #10

    Go for a jumpstart kit that’s designed for heavy duty diesel use, something like the Clarke 4000 from Machinemart. Many you’ll find in motor accessory shops are designed for up to 2 litre engines and that’s not enough. Also, as others suggest, fit a good quality solar panel, at least 150w on a variable split charge controller. It will considerably increase the life of your batteries  and ensure a startup after winter layup.

     

  • SteveL
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    edited July 2020 #11

    Our solar panels, 2 off, I think 150 watts between them, have kept both batteries charged in storage, since we bought the van in March 2019. Our van is in the open, however when I got round to cleaning them (found I can reach out of a roof lite) they were fairly dirty.

    Keeping the batteries charged was the primary reason for fitting, having swapped batteries over for years with the caravan. However, we also used them off grid for several days in France, which increased the number of stopping places significantly. Especially if there are any more lockdowns, it has got to be the way to go. Letting the battery discharge is not going to do it any good.

  • peedee
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    edited July 2020 #12

    You must be really shaded then TW because just daylight will result in some charge from my panel. This morning with a very overcast sky and the tree in leaf the battery was showing 13.9 volts with a charge of 0.4Amps. The recommended trickle rate for my battery is 13.6 to 13.8v

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  • SeasideBill
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    edited July 2020 #13

    All solar panels are not equal. Like most things, you get what you pay for. A high quality solar panel will perform much better in poor light conditions than a low efficiency panel. 

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited July 2020 #14

    Mine is as fitted as standard to the van. It is not important to me and I have no real use for it as the van can easily be plugged into the mains at home. Tbh, SPs don't really interest me. 

  • BlueVanMan
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    edited July 2020 #15

    There are two aspects, prevention (of battery discharge) and cure.

    There is a view that jump starting a flat battery is dangerous to the health of the donor battery and the flat battery and also potentially to the alternator on the donee car. Rescue organisations use a jump start pack these days but any type of jump start risks the battery because of the load imposed on a flat battery by the vehicle alternator. So the safest solution is to remove the battery,  charge it at home and then refit it.

    As regards prevention a solar panel may be helpful but it depends on a number of factors including the size of the panel and quality of installation amount of sun and ambient draw for example by an alarm. 

    So my advice is essentially NOT to use jump leads except in an emergency. Rescue companies are there to rescue you and if your battery fails later its not their problem (but it may be their opportunity if they sell you a new one). 

     

     

  • bill
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    edited July 2020 #16

    Interestingly I had Mayday out when my battery failed a couple of months ago.  I don't know if it is just for battery issues but was clearly told that I could not call out Mayday in the following 28 days for the same problem.  I assumed that this is an assumption that you should get the problem fixed in that time.

  • bill
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    edited July 2020 #17

    I was thinking of getting one of those small lithium jump starters for emergencies but was interested that all the ones I looked at had very short leads.  I was told that you should never put the negative lead on to the negative terminal of the battery but  with the jump starters I was looking at you had no choice.

  • BlueVanMan
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    edited July 2020 #18

    On SEVEL vans (Ducato/Peugeot/Citroen) (other makes are available) the vehicle battery is located in the cab floor on the passenger side (RHD) underneath a hatch and of course cab carpets. It's a faff to get to the battery and for that reason a jump start connection point is provided under the bonnet for the positive lead and also advice where to connect the negative (essentially to the chassis). 

    In the oil industry their is an acronym RTBM well actually thats the less profane version. In other words an entreaty that you may find perusal of the documentation for your vehicle including the users manual to be informative. cool 

  • EasyT
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    edited July 2020 #19

    Not a problem as you connect before making a circuit and then switch the lithium device to charge.. If charging from another car using jump leads the last connection that you make will likely cause a spark and hence the advice to avoid sparks above the battery with possible hydrogen gas being emitted.

  • EasyT
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    edited July 2020 #20

    In use at 4 mins 40 secs on this video Bill

     

  • Freedom a whitebox
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    edited July 2020 #21

    Hydrogen gas is only given off when the battery is charging, so there is a minimal risk of explosion 

    The reason a lot of recovery/ breakdown services use these jump starts is that they are portable and eliminates the need for long jump leads (the longer the lead the more the resistance) and also the requirement to turn the slave vehicle around to face the one being started - a real bonus on the roadside!

  • EasyT
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    edited July 2020 #22

    Hydrogen gas is only given off when the battery is charging, so there is a minimal risk of explosion 

    Indeed it is minimal and they are a useful bit of kit. A number of years ago my caravan battery failed half way into the drive and blocking the road. A car electrician was installing some kit on my neighbours car and the chap passed me his powerpack so that I could clear the road.