Bookings from Local lockdown areas?

flatcoat
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edited July 2020 in UK Campsites & Touring #1

What is the clubs policy on accepting arrivals from people who travel from locations whilst in temporary local lockdown? I have heard from a reliable source of one club site accepting an arrival at the weekend from a booking who live within the lockdown zone. Personally i am astounded at both the member who think it is perfectly ok to flout the law and risk spreading the virus AND the club for accepting them on the site. What happens if they turn out to be carriers? Beggars belief on both sides but In my opinion the club should be cancelling the bookings and may be breaking the law by not doing so.

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  • JVB66
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    edited July 2020 #2

    Best to ring sites department at HO ,

  • JVB66
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    edited July 2020 #3

    How would the site know if the member was from a lockdown area by their membership number?  unless the site staff on top of all their other work  (especially last Sat/Sun)looked at every arrival and went into the system to check adressesundecided

  • flatcoat
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    edited July 2020 #4

    Their address details, not difficult for the site wardens to access it. The site wardens contacted said member assuming they would be cancelling, the response was ‘no’ and the club did not apparently cancel their booking.

  • JVB66
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    edited July 2020 #5

    All the arrivals 100 +on a lot of sitessurprised

  • moulesy
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    edited July 2020 #6

    I know of at least 2 commercial sites in Cornwall which have cancelled bookings from the Leicester area. Personally, I think the onus is on individuals from there (or other lockdown areas) to do the right thing. If they decide to travel anyway and arrive on site just pass details on to the relevant authorities. 

  • EasyT
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    edited July 2020 #7

    I doubt that they would check any members location and I though that people were 'asked' not told to travel from lockdown area such as Leicester? 

  • flatcoat
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    edited July 2020 #8

    The information came from a supplier (i spoke with directly) to the site in question from a conversation he had with the site warden who had contacted said member. If the member turns out to be a Virus spreadet/carrier which the club allowed onto the site knowing they were from a lockdown area, the club could be in trouble. It will certainly not do the club any favours if the location where the site is ends up with a spike and local lockdown. What about ‘duty of care’?

  • moulesy
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    edited July 2020 #9

    And thereby is a major loophole - maybe they should have been more than "asked"?

    Still, I guess it fits in with other loopholes like driving to test your eyesight or flying to Greece (via Bulgaria) for the "essential" reason of preparing your holiday villa for use! frown

  • EasyT
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    edited July 2020 #10

    If the member turns out to be a Virus spreadet/carrier which the club allowed onto the site knowing they were from a lockdown area, the club could be in trouble.

    I very much doubt that the club could be in trouble. Based only on what I read in the news people within the lockdown are were merely 'urged' not to go out of the area.

  • JVB66
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    edited July 2020 #11

    I think as most "headlines" it would be more apropriat to have ALL the information rather than about it sounds 4th handwink

  • EasyT
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    edited July 2020 #12

    And thereby is a major loophole - maybe they should have been more than "asked"?

    Maybe but if there was any legislation to make it compulsory I am unaware. 

    A couple of weeks ago my eldest daughter sat with her boyfriend who has been cohabiting since lock down was announced whilst he drove to the micro brewery that he normally works at just to check the premises. no work going on on site. On the way back they naughtily came an extra 8 miles to call in. I live in Wales. It was probably incorrect but, as we socially distanced it affected nobody. She is in a high risk group having been diagnosed as being in heart failure. He is also. We dad a brew in freshly washed cups and had a socially distanced natter. It probably broke the letter of the guidance but not the spirit. A friend was condemned by neighbours for visiting an older relation and standing on the drive to natter after dropping off food. . 

  • Oneputt
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    edited July 2020 #13

    You forgot the architect of the lockdown who travelled for the pleasure of meeting with his married lover

  • moulesy
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    edited July 2020 #14

    Yes, I did, but of course, he had the decency to hold his hands up and resign!  wink

    (Not going to post any more in that vein! 👍)

  • eurortraveller
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    edited July 2020 #15

    Several commercial sites in Cornwall have been cancelling current bookings from people living in the lockdown areas of Leicestershire, but are accepting bookings for dates in the future on condition  that lockdown there will be lifted by then. Seems the right thing to do. 

  • flatcoat
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    edited July 2020 #16

    Can the moderators pull this thread? I wish i hadn't bothered. 

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  • EasyT
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    edited July 2020 #18

    Still, I guess it fits in with other loopholes like driving to test your eyesight 

    Strangely enough, not sure when, maybe 6 years ago I woke up to find that I had lost most of the sight in my right eye. I had the option of seeing an ophthalmist and getting a driver or driving myself. My remaining eye was weak but I picked up some cheap readers and before driving home did test my eyesight, firstly on site and then by driving. 

  • JVB66
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    edited July 2020 #19

    It just goes to show how many varied opinions can be put forward ,   ,and the problems that can be seen could , by the minority who it seems are never going to accept they are/ were the problemundecided

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited July 2020 #20

    Tbh, FC, it’s unlikely anyone on this forum will know what the club's policy is. Therefore, the talk is around the subject as we are unable to answer your question.

  • EasyT
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    edited July 2020 #21

    Addressed at any body in particular JVB? 

  • DEBSC
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    edited July 2020 #22

    Yes local sites in Devon have home addresses and have cancelled people from Leicester. Sites have to conform and apparently must take contact details, along with home address of people booking in.

  • JVB66
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    edited July 2020 #23

    That is quite easy i would think on private sites ,rather than large organisation where members details are kept on the mainframe at HO  ,instead of as i expect the bookers details are in a local computer?drawer in the office 

  • JollyKernow
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    edited July 2020 #24

     Nail on the head there ADundecided

    JK

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited July 2020 #25

    What could be easier than having all the members' details on one central database? I think your logic has more holes than a colander, JV.😀

  • JVB66
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    edited July 2020 #26

    Great as the club has ,but as the "question?" was about someone coming to a site from a lockdown? area as posted earlier how will the site staff know ,without on top of all their other work ,  checking every member number against the clubs data base? so where are the holes?

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited July 2020 #27

    Everyone becomes a victim of the CT cross examination police🤣🤣🤣. You kept em amused for a few hours FC👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited July 2020 #28

    I'd not assume it would be site staff having to sort the issue when there are admin staff at EGT.

  • DavidKlyne
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    edited July 2020 #29

    With threads like this there can only be speculation as none of us know the answer. Clearly the OP is concerned about this issue but it really needs to be addressed direct to the Club. I have therefore locked this discussion as further debate is unlikely to add any more to the discussion.

    David

  • harryb
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    edited July 2020 #30

     

    Flatcoat

    Personally I agree with your thoughts and have an element of support for them.

    I for one have played everything by the book to do my bit to try and rid the country of this pandemic. If every person did that little bit then perhaps, just perhaps things may get back to normal all that bit sooner. However certain factions seem oblivious to the prospect of a second spike causing more harm to this country.

    I would just like to back that last sentence up by quoting Nick Lomas on the clubs priorities.

    "The safety and wellbeing of our staff and members will always come first."

    With that, other than the hygiene measures they have in place, perhaps the club could back up their comment and state what their stance is on preventing the problem from getting worse.

    Remember the 'R' number