Coronavirus Discussion
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It would indeed be interesting to know how other countries assess and record. Even UK has changed how it records over the last three months. I am only looking at those Worldometer statistics at the moment, but I have no doubt whatsoever that Russia records death in a different way to UK, and looking at some of the other places, for example India, their cases v deaths appear not to give an accurate position. It’s possibly down to testing. If they don’t test, it’s impossible to say it’s Covid🤷♀️ It’s an appalling image, but I can’t help thinking that rural India, Pakistan, Bangladesh will be awash with cases that will go unreported.😢
SIL was taken ill a few weeks ago. Most of the symptoms, however her and BIL are shielding, haven’t left house since lockdown and she’s a hygiene fanatic at normal times. Daughters managed to arrange a test, results took 11 days to come back🤷♀️ Thankfully negative, but a very worrying time. Taking far too long to get results.
I hope the saliva test kits work out.
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Agree, very random. Less than 48 hours isn’t good though in any circumstance. It’s part of the issue around not being able to get folks back to work quickly enough, and folks having to stay locked down for longer periods. Not sure how much is due to nature of disease, or poor testing regimes.....
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I think European countries tend to be more transparent with figures but, of course, even within Europe countries will use different methods. I think we will eventually get there with reliable figures but this is not over yet. Here in the UK we have three sets of figures published each day:-
Deaths where there has been a positive test
Deaths where COVID was mentioned on the Death Certificate
Deaths over and above what is normal for the time of year.
So between the three I suspect we have a pretty accurate idea of the UK death rate. Some institutions compare death rates by the percentage of one million population. Poor Belgium always comes top of that list but does it really tell us anything as it won't take into account things peculiar to that country compared to others?
However there are lots of countries around the world who seem to be suppressing figures and of course there will be countries that just don't have the infrastructure in place to accurately record deaths due to COVID.
David
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Interesting statistic came out the other day.
One of the Motoring organisations asked 2,000 of their members if they were worried about the condition and safety of cars on the road, relating to the deferment of the M.O.T.
Over40% said that it they were concerned and it was a worry yet only 2% said they were worried about their own car being roadworthy. So it's a case of mine all right Jack but yours is a death trap.
One of ours not due until August and t'other done before lockdown, and yes I know before anyone mentions it, that it only proves it was good enough on the day of the test.
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watching news clips today, whatever it is in Germany, it was sufficiently serious for them to roll out the army to enforce lock down in 1 particular area , after the local police lost control.
Is it any wonder those making the decisions in the UK of "shall we or shall we not", think they may be treading on thin ice.
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And China?
David
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China remains a mystery to me, but number 2 son tells me that the Covid19 death figures in Hong Kong have now risen to 5 - from a population of 7,000,000 living in crowded conditions - though there have still no deaths at all there in care homes. The Hong Kong authorities say they have simply practised all that the British taught them long ago.
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I can believe that EuroT. Sadly, the Brits of today have forgotten a lot of what the Brits of yesterday taught them.
Sat chatting with my friend on Sunday, she was telling me she was a nursing student in 1968, Hong Kong Flu pandemic. She said it was weeks of around 10-12 deaths per shift, little in way of PPE, they just got on with it as best they could. She spent more time dealing with the dead than caring for the living. No PTSD then as well. Must have been horrendous.
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But don't forget that Hong Kong was badly hit by the SARS outbreak in 2003 so probably very fresh in the memory and still people working there that knew exactly what to do. It seems they implemented measures immediately it became clear it was serious. Compare that to the UK where there was a lot of dithering and waiting to see initially and we paid the price.
David
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A sad day today, the funeral of a very elderly Aunt. Afterwards we collected her belongings from her Care Home. On talking to her carers, at a distance, they told us they are now covid free. They did have six cases and they nursed all of them back to health. They said that they wished the media would report things like this, rather than news which worries residents and families. They have lost residents recently, including Auntie, put down to old age but they believe that lack of visitors and covid problems - worrying news, social distancing, staff all in PPE have really taken its toll.
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I don't think the blame can be laid at the door of the media for a change. I don't think the UK Government/NHS issue information on people who have recovered from COVID having been in hospital. I do find this very strange as surely it is something to be celebrated? If you look at the stats on the John Hopkins University website they only show 1319 people in the UK as have recovered from COVID. Many of those, if not all, come from protectorates rather than the UK.
David
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We have seen a lot of reports about people recovering after weeks in hospital, and being clapped out by staff and family. Including some very elderly as well. There have been some media stories about Care Homes who were very proactive and managed to stay virus free as well.
Sad news for you though Debsc. Folks have been dying of unrelated illnesses and old age. Mum lost her last friend age 93 the first week of lockdown. She fell at home, never came out of hospital sadly. Not Covid related.
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Oh deary me. NZ were doing so well I was impressed, but sadly they are falling very short now they are 'back to normal'. Last week 2 natives returning from the UK released from quarantine on compassionate grounds not tested and then found to have COVID19. 3 flights involved.
Now this, article here HERE several flights, quarantined, mingled and socialised, released not one test.
So disappointing. If it can happen where there are a lot less inhabitants and quarantine, on transport provided, to a hotel for 14 days. I hold out little hope for us 😢.
Sticking with check what facts we can, make your own risk assessment and trust your own judgement.
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WHO records record number of new cases in a 24hr period, we should be concerned, very concerned....Saudi closed borders for those wishing to attend Hajj, parts of Germany in new lock down, should we be easing up,? but life has to restart some time
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The media can of course gather information but it is often incomplete information. They tend to concentrate on those patients willing to be filmed and who are willing to tell their story. We have a radio station here in MK who also have a very good news website. They give almost daily updates of the situation in MK and here is a quote from the latest page:-
"Across all settings, there have been 192 coronavirus-related deaths in the Borough of Milton Keynes up until 5th June.
It is not known exactly how many people have recovered from COVID-19 in Milton Keynes.
However, residents have been sharing their stories about how they have beat the virus."
The point of my previous comments was a disappointment there are no official figures for the recovery rate which to me is a large chunk of missing information. Local/National media can't give this information because its not published as far as I can tell?
David
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The point of my previous comments was a disappointment there are no official figures for the recovery rate which to me is a large chunk of missing information. Local/National media can't give this information because its not published as far as I can tell?
New infections, total infections and numbers of deaths are published and so there is some indicative information out there to be gleaned. The information may well be incomplete but still be indicative.
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Presumably the difference between the number of positive test and deaths give an indication of recovery rate. However, this figure is fairly meaningless as many more people are thought to have had the virus and recovered, than indicated by the number of positive tests. Perhaps one reason why it is not reported.
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It is the people in who have been in hospital with COVID and been discharged. this is the missing figure.
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The SUN online (not paper I normally read) has an article that says campsites and caravan parks opening could be delayed beyond 4 July due to opening of shared wash facilities...
not on BBC or other reputable media sites.
I hope this does not impact storage sites opening I really need to get access to my caravan so that I can visit sites when they do open.
Any one seen news of this development from the government review of next phase of regulations and tourist sites opening?
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my Caravan is stored at the other club- and they will not open the storage until the sites open- hence my concern raised abov- JVB66 but thank you
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We're off to our favourite CS on 4th July - just 5 vans in 2 acres, so social distancing will be simple. Can't wait - just need a change of scenery and something to look forward to
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