Facilities
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I don't think you can really compare the two. In a MH or caravan you have to use shared facilities to fill it with water and empty grey / black waste. Unless of course you have one of the few service pitches. Even on these, with the exception of Chatsworth, the black waste dump is still a shared facility.
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The letter is a timely and necessary attempt to address what is, quite frankly, an absurdity. I hope that the Government are able to focus on the disastrous consequences of separating the 3 organisations (and others) from other holiday facilities on an unscientific whim rather than focusing on the comparison of a waste disposal point to a petrol pump.
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Or even...
e. Use a No facility CL
We have been saying personally for years that Club Sites are too busy for their own good. Lack of space, pitches packed in, lots of individuals sharing a few facilities.
Not for us. We have done our individual risk assessment, and Club Sites don’t feature.
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The tone of the letter is a bit disconcerting, especially about the "rich" being able to take a holiday but us poor people with fewer resources can't go camping even if the pubs are open....di da di da di da....
Sharing a tap or two every few days sounds even worse!
Why couldn't they just say that many are looking forward to using their self contained units and shared facilities are not a priority at present, campers of all styles are a resourceful bunch etc.
Thanks for posting the letter, I wonder if Boris has ever stayed in a caravan, is there a site on Mustique?!
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If you start to do the maths, Club Sites with facilities open are not a good place to be. If you take say Godrevy Park, with 120 pitches and one facility block, take half those users out of equation and you still have a lot of individuals using a limited number of loo cubicles and showers throughout the day. There appear to be three service points, so if Site is full, that’s 40 outfits utilising each service point......🤔
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I quite agree Brue.
Do the people who are in charge of our clubs not realise the cost of the units and towcars and motorhomes? Makes us sound like we're stuck in a 1950s timewarp. Perhaps they've overlooked the storage fees, the servicing and the insurance and their very own site fees.
Patronising? Too right and that's from our own side.
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Odd. Not sure why you think that out of 1.7 million plus people represented by three large organisations there won't be some people there who are less wealthy than others. It seemed a perfectly reasonable point to make to me. The 3 clubs appear to be trying to react to a potential decision which apart from impacting on people's holidays could also result in tens of thousands of their staff and associates losing their jobs as well as hitting rural economies all across the country. The three groups, whilst working in the same sector, have a fairly diverse clientele and the tone of the letter is obviously trying to cut across specific group interests without being seen to be critical of the way that any of the groups operate. Given that the letter was obviously written in haste they seem to have been successful in achieving that. Let's hope that it has a positive impact tomorrow.
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In B&B's someone still has to come in and make up the room, clean the bathroom, cook and serve breakfast. Door handles will be touched by other residents, chairs, tables, Bannister rails etc. all a potential threat as these are shared.
I don't think emptying a toilet cassette yourself wearing protective clothing is a big risk. Neither is emptying and refilling with water. Taking the rubbish to the bin is not life threatening either, if commonsense is used.
Life has to resume at some point and folk will have to learn to take responsibility for their own well being.
If someone is in the vulnerable category then they will have to decide for themselves what risks they are willing to take, for some that will be easy 'none' for others they might decide that if they take precautions they are willing to give it a go.
It cannot be said enough, personal hygiene is paramount. Wear rubber/disposable gloves to do jobs around the site. When finished wash/sanitise your hands. Wear a face mask/shield to empty the loo, wash hands. Its not rocket science its commonsense.
I'm more than happy to resume camping but I will not be using the facility blocks, not yet awhile anyway.
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I'm more than happy to resume camping but I will not be using the facility blocks, not yet awhile anyway.
I am not convinced that if the sites are run to capacity that using them as non facility will be much better. There just aren't enough service points to go round, if everyone is using them exclusively.
Perhaps when the number of cases per day has fallen, I might consider it an acceptable risk. However at around about 1000 a day from tests and probably 4 to 5 times that actually, it is premature to open in my opinion. Other countries had much lower rates before they opened up there sites.
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Will the pent up anticipation that has been generated result in widespread flouting of restrictions with "traveller style" invasions occurring in tourist hotspots?
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I don't think emptying a toilet cassette yourself wearing protective clothing is a big risk. Neither is emptying and refilling with water. Taking the rubbish to the bin is not life threatening either, if commonsense is used.
Life has to resume at some point and folk will have to learn to take responsibility for their own well being.
I agree TG. The virus will be around long after the country can afford widespread closure
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Wear a face mask/shield to empty the loo
Tammygirl, Has your husband ever worn any of the above ( or indeed gloves) to empty your cassette before now. Why do you think the risk has increased?
I will accept if your OH is going to volunteer to empty "virgin" own toilet users cassettes ( could be a nice little earner !) then the above would be a good idea.
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Oh!! yes, we already have that, you should take a trip out to some of the areas around LOS when the sun is high, fortunately at present the police/enforcement officers are doing a very good job of stopping people camping overnight, but watch this space when restrictions are lifted, for many it will be just one long camping holiday. People are already arriving early doors to get the prime spots.
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Shops are open in Wales, and Scotland. You can meet up with more people from two family groups outside in Wales than in England. The devolved administrations are no doubt forced to start reopening these things and easing lockdown just as in England due to financial pressures and the destruction of businesses already damaged. Many seasonal businesses will have lost 50% of their normal income sources this year.
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Lots of campsite are not in what would be considered tourist hotspots. I think there is a difference between a supermarket toilet and a campsite facility block not least the latter because of the use of showers. Another difference is that a campsite facility block would be seen as a place of all ablutions rather than just a quick comfort stop. If, and it is only an if at the moment the Government decide that campsites can open but toilet blocks have to remain closed or showers can't be used I imagine that will be decided by the advice they receive. Somehow in the rush to open everything up and the reduction in social distancing I somehow can't see campsites not being allowed to reopen, but you never know!!!
David
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personally i think this, although important, pails into insignificance when you raise the issue of
"what procedures/processes are in place should somebody on a site prove positive whilst on site, or even someone who recently left the site who proves positive"
You can wear your boiler suite and wear your face shield when emptying the loo but you cannot wear these all day long, and surely people are not going to visit a site and sit in their LV for the duration, and the risks e.g. in small Cornish towns with hoardes of people are going to be far greater than at home, so not just the sight that could be a potential hazard, but also the surrounding area.
Our ice cream shops are open, 3 on the seafront, and you would not believe how big the queues are daily, and i will not mention what we should be trying to do, it does not happen.
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Nick Hea. You possibly misunderstood the point I was trying to make. Yes, the industry represents a large group of people from various socio- economic groups and using a "them and us" approach borders on whinging. Along with the mention of motorway toilets and showers, pubs etc. it was a rather ill thought out fast reaction to provocative media "reports."
I also hope it works but there was too little detail about infection prevention.
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No it wouldnt, on every sunny day since lock down was eased our area has been chocker block with people, you have to remember there are millions of people still furloughed and will remain so until approx end of August, as Cliff Richard sung "where all going on a summer holiday"
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