Corona Virus Concerns
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Early on ISTR that mortality was estimated at around 2-3%. Based on current figures it appears to be more like 10% or is this yet more L,DL & S?
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On our return from holiday on 14th March, the following week we were glued to Channel 4 news, and some of their reporting from Italy. Very early on it was stated that Care Homes were going to be decimated. Harrowing footage from their hospitals over there.
Personally, compared with the steps other countries took at the early stages of the virus, our “lockdown” didn’t really amount to that much. Nothing like that of places like France, Spain, Cyprus, Greece etc...
Some of those countries didn’t fare that well, but others have emerged having done a very good job. I do worry that it’s the UK that has the worst European death rate, it should in no way be considered a success. If anything, it’s probably the immense efforts the vast majority of individuals took in those early weeks that was the determining factor in the NHS not being overwhelmed. That’s why the selfish behaviour of a few high profile individuals has to be seen in the overall scale of things.
I am trying to find out what the daily case figures were for early March, I somehow have a disturbing thought that they were possibly lower than they are now, as we come out of all the so called lockdown. I sincerely hope I am wrong, otherwise........☹️
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clearly you are not reading my posts correctly
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what i was trying to say was, we have been duped by the virus in leading us to believe it was a serious threat to everybody, when clearly now this is probably not true as we have seen with the number of people thought to have had the virus but have suffered no symptoms.
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"duped by the virus"
That’s one mighty clever virus then. Not only is it a killer but it’s also capable of duping us. What on earth are you talking about?🤔
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Well we know it's clever - remember this Trumpism from April -
“This is a very brilliant enemy. You know, it’s a brilliant enemy. They develop drugs like the antibiotics. You see it. Antibiotics used to solve every problem. Now one of the biggest problems the world has is the germ has gotten so brilliant that the antibiotic can’t keep up with it."
And if the great man says so, who are we to argue?
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Well, that’s it then. A super virus capable of killing, and thought and brilliance.
Hmm, obviously Mr T has forgotten that antibiotics fight bacterial rather than viral infections.
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Had we not locked down the death rate almost certainly would be much higher than the already dreadful figures we have here in the UK which looks set to be one of if not the highest rate per percentage of population,
UK is actually the 4th highest in the world. Deaths/ 1m population
San Marino is the highest at 1,238
Belgium at 822
Andorra at 660
UK at 585
Spain at 580
Italy at 555
These figures are taken from the Worldometer site.
Not that it takes anything away from how bad our figures look but it its worth looking at other countries in relation to population.
Good to see many countries are managing to clear their countries of all cases of the virus.
Edit: just checked the results for Scotland today and the highest areas with new cases are Falkirk and Fife. They have both recorded 5 each, many regions have had no new cases for the last 3 or 4 days. Fife had a bad day yesterday with 35 new cases
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Anyway for those who want to skateboard round the toilet block or site I think the club should put up simailr notices
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Even Trump looks "knowledgeable" compared to Bolsonaro! And does anyone actually believe the number of recorded deaths in Russia or India?
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TG
I am getting different figure for both San Marino and and Andorra with death figures of 42 and 51? The statistics here show us only behind Belgium in deaths per million and that is based on the deaths where a test established being infected with the virus not where COVID 19 was mentioned on the death certificate without a confirming test which woulf make the figure higher. Whichever way we look at it the UK has been hit exceptionally hard by COVID 19 and we will eventually need answers to that question.
David
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Bolsanaro beggars belief.
I think a lot of those Worldometer figures are incorrect, not deliberately, but because like you point out, the figures provided by individual nations are highly suspect. The other thing of course is that the figures are calculated very differently for different nations. Our figures are deaths that occur in hospitals (or at least they were I think at the first recording) Other nation’s rate of testing is much much higher than the UKs, and includes deaths away from a hospital environment. There’s a graph that looks at the death rate above the norm for this time of the year, and that would indicate a much higher death rate than those that list C19. Something like another 20,000 persons in UK.
I wouldn’t believe anything coming out of places like Russia, Iran, etc...... and who knows what is happening in rural India, Pakistan and Bangladesh.
I’ve just found the piece of information I have been looking for regarding case rates. On 24th March, the day the country entered lockdown, there were 250 recorded cases less than yesterday. I find this rather worrying given all the easing of advice.
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That's the same figures I've seen David 42 and 51 but per 1m population it comes out as 660 and 1.238.
Sweden has 4,542 deaths or 450 per 1m population.
This is the site I've been using https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Agree Britain isn't doing great.
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Glad to see we are not the only country to make mistakes at this terrible time, but what is more Poignant , is that in the early stages of the pandemic Sweden were being held up as the beacon of light
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SWEDEN says it was wrong not to impose lockdown rules adding if it knew thousands would die it would have probably followed the rest of Europe.
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TG
I see what they have done now. It seems a strange way of presenting statistics as basically they have upscaled the deaths to get a direct comparison. The Statista website uses the same data but ignores smaller countries which I think gives a more useful comparison. But regardless of whether the UK is second or fourth there are lots of questions to be asked how we got into this situation. We were clearly wrong footed somewhere!
David
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Of course it is important because its a way of measuring how well, or not, we have done in handling the virus compare to other countries. It also shows us what we might learn from other countries although the reality of that learning might not be available until after the event.
David
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I care about all the people, family and friends behind these figures. The data from abroad helps in the future decision making process for us here across the countries of the UK. Compared to some 'our' data is really not vey good at all. Some countries l'm sure are looking at our data to find out how not to do some things. This is a pandemic and the whole world is in this together.
Let's hope, pray and act for a better future than we currently are experiencing.
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Newsnight made a lot out of an incredible statistic: that the UK had more deaths yesterday than the entire EU. The problem is the numbers are nonsense. The FT has exposed reporting on the continent to be littered with “flawed data”…
In fact some of the data in foreign countries is so dodgy that, according to the FT’s data guru John Burn-Murdoch, if England had adopted Spain’s new ‘method’, it would have reported just 20 new deaths yesterday. England is equivalent to 13% of the population of the EU, and yet would appear to have just 6% of the death rate, if it adopted Spain’s manipulated reporting…
UPDATE: Newsnight sourced its data from controversial website ‘Worldometer‘, a website that even Wikipedia editors have decided to avoid. The Data Manager for independent statistics website Our World In Data told CNN that “We think people should be wary, especially media, policy-makers and decision-makers. This data is not as accurate as they think it is.0 -
Just read an article talking about the new quarantine regulations. This idea is nothing to do with the ‘science’ apparently. The SAGE committee and Patrick Vallance have all agreed it’s too late and useless. We are still having 8,000 cases of COVID a day and people from the UK are more likely to export the virus than others importing it. Honestly I’m at my wits end with BJ and his cronies!! Obviously couldn’t copy all the article but this small part gives the gist -
“” Given the lack of scientific evidence for the plan, Professor Hunter said: “I think there is a political value but not necessarily a public health value. It is an easy thing to do to make the electorate think you’re taking this seriously.”
Stephen Griffin, of Leeds University, said: “Quarantine is generally aimed at either preventing the earliest importation of cases, or to maintain low numbers after suppression of an outbreak. The former did not occur, and we are not currently at an appropriate stage to affect the latter. I therefore question the timing of implementing such measures at present.”
Keith Neal, of Nottingham University, added: “People who visit countries with less disease than the UK and maintain social distancing will be at lower risk than [in] the UK. On a Portuguese beach you are less at risk than on a UK beach.”“
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UPDATE: Newsnight sourced its data from controversial website ‘Worldometer‘, a website that even Wikipedia editors have decided to avoid.
cant say i am surprised, the news reporting on the BBC has not been good in many respects, and why they have the so called anchor person report on a subject for 10 minutes and then go to an overseas in country news reporter who spouts the same info presumably from the same auto cue is beyond me.
in fact some of the data in foreign countries is so dodgy that, according to the FT’s data guru John Burn-Murdoch, if England had adopted Spain’s new ‘method’, it would have reported just 20 new deaths yesterday.
and again i am not surprised, there was a report on the 1300 news today re Iran, who previously said they had knocked the virus on the head, did not look that way today, thousands dead and lying around in the streets in make shift coffins .
And when all this is over we will have expensive enquiries into what went wrong, enquiries using data that is flawed, and the outcome will be ?????
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so, in your opinion which country in the western world would you hold up as your beacon of light when it comes to the way corona virus has been handled, it has to be a country with similar demographics to ours, same or similar land mass available for occupation, population numbers etc ...
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