Corona Virus Concerns
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well at some stage it is hoped we will all have either been tested for the virus, tested to see if we have had the virus, or vaccinated against the virus but as you say
but if we all keep our distance, wash hands and use alcohol gel no matter what bumf we are told then hopefully we will not need the tests
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I was invited to take a test after having received a letter from Imperial College/NHS/Mori poll. I had to go online and request the test to be posted out to me. That took 3 days.Then when you are ready to do the test you have to first book the courier to come and collect the sample, once you know when they are coming you have to do the test before 8am in the morning, hang around until the courier picks it up and then wait for the results. I took the test on a Sunday and it was on the following Friday that I got the result. It was negative, but my argument is by the time you have the result you could already be on day 9 of being infectious and not even know it. Until these tests are turned around much quicker I cant see the point. I think that whilst they are sending out this test they should be sending out the test to see if you have antibodies, also test everyone in the household at the same time. Then you would know if you had the virus at that point in time or whether you have had the virus in the past. One delivery per household and one collection. Theres no point in wasting antibody tests on people that have had a positive test already. They know that almost everyone had antibodies after recovering just dont know how long it will last.
All seems a bit of a farce.
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So, the Biosecurity Centre that is designed to monitor all these tests to tenable pinpoint lockdown....…..doesn't exist yet!
'it is still being formulated' said Mr Hancock !!!
Why is the lockdown being eased then if the system is unable to find 'outbreaks' or is this Biosecurity just another example of blue sky thinking?
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These centres are up and running, the main hub is staffed by medics, but like everything else it is work in progress, if we were to wait to roll out these centres, or anything to do with this pandemic, until it was 110 pct proven we would never roll them out, better to run with something that fixes part of the problem as a starter.
You can guarantee, when the first vaccine is available it will not be 100 pct, and many variations/improvements will be made.
Similar scenario with the antibody tests, the first batch proved not to be reliable so were withdrawn.
As we have been told many times, this virus outbreak is unprecedented so we are having to take unprecented steps to try and stop it in its tracks, unfortunately it is a very steep learning curve.
What i cant understand is why the BBC have to send a reporter to make a Panorama programme shown last night re the epidemic in the USA, have they not already shown enough of the horrors of this virus at home, lets focus on the positives and move on
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Interestingly in the press this morning, they are reporting that 1 metre seperation will reduce the risk of infections by 80pct as advised by the WHO, so we can see how things develop as time moves on, however, I am not so sure that reducing to 1metre is such a good idea as for lots of people 2 mtrs was in fact 1 mtr, so reduce wil probably mean much more hugging in the supermarket queue.
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The advantage of the two metre distancing rule is that it is a clear message to stay apart. You sort of have to think about it. As soon as you reduce the distance I think it becomes easier to ignore distancing rules. I understand why a one metre distance would be better for all sorts of reasons like public transport and in shops but being one metre apart is almost going back to normal if you think about how close you usually stand next to people you know and meet in the supermarkets etc. I am not talking family and close friends just acquaintances. I suspect the WHO recommendations are based on reality in that in some heavily populated countries two metres would be almost impossible to maintain. I am sure that two metres is a pretty arbitrary figure but it does get the message across. At some stage we will have to get back to normal whatever that is!!!
David
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Whilst the possibility of transmission is reduced by distance, what "they" haven't mentioned is the difference between 2m and 1m is that the potential, whilst fairly low, doubles. Are we serious about eliminating this virus or not?
BTW, What's the difference between 'blue sky thinking' and daydreaming?
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Be happy! No Covid deaths down here in Plymouth hospital for 5 days and no new cases reported in the city for 5 days too. Things are looking up.
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I agree David. Through no negative intent, some folk find it really hard to judge 2 metres, and other only seem to be aware in a linear fashion i.e. they happily keep two metres in front and behind, but are not aware of the distance to the side - especially in shops! The other thing is a slight change of emphasis in the guidelines. Originally it was 'keep 2 metres distance'. Now it appears to be 'kept 2 metres distance where possible'. I'm happy to stick with 2 metres as some appear (not intentionally) to find it difficult to judge. There are probably others who regard the 2 metre rule an a maximum distance rather than a minimum.
David
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I am all for 2 mtrs, however, i think this will be a business decision e.g. only 30 pct of establishments such as pubs resturants will be able to open at 2mtrs vs 70 pct at 1 mtr, well that is what the business experts are saying, even ex chancellors.
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I'll happily stay with 2m forever. I often used to feel uncomfortable with people invading my space and this is so much more pleasant.
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And me. I have found the step back unexpectedly onto someone’s toes a good lifelong deterrent. Especially in stilettos, learned that one in my teenage years to fend off the Disco gropers😂 Works on public transport as well😇
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Jazzybaby-Seems my son was the same as you. He is also mystified at what was actually achieved. His take is Politicians come up with statements ie 1/200,000 tests a day and will not be proved wrong even if the data is useless or how much it costs.
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But should it be a business decision? Surely it should be based on the science? I would have thought that when we have hard evidence that the R rate is around half the current top rate that would be the time to start reducing the distance. The lock down discipline has virtually collapsed in the last 7/10 days so probably by the third week of June we will know whether that has created a spike in cases. Perhaps we will be lucky and it won't and that might be the time to start a relaxation of distancing?
David
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News today that the lockdown review period has been extended by a week to every four weeks Matt Hancock has announced. Not expecting and relaxations of anything now until the last week of June.
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Surely it should be based on the science?
Could'nt agree more , and from a somewhat selfish view point, i dont particularly care whether pubs, clubs, football recommence etc, apart from trips away in the caravan my life style, thankfully has not changed that much, but not wanting to put this post back on a political footing, you told me off
, unfortunately now as with kids going back to school, it is political point scoring that is the name of the game and there are some factions who would dance with glee if another spike in the virus was to occur, just so they could say "I told you so"1 -
The lock down discipline has virtually collapsed in the last 7/10 days so probably by the third week of June we will know whether that has created a spike in cases. Perhaps we will be lucky and it won't and that might be the time to start a relaxation of distancing?
David, MK Radio news stated there had been no covid deaths in hospital for the past 5 days. May that continue.
peedee
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David, MK Radio news stated there had been no covid deaths in hospital for the past 5 days. May that continue.
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I think our stats are showing similar figures, but my OH was very surprised yesterday, she had a routine hospital appointment at QA's Portsmouth, and could not believe how relaxed they were re hand sanitizers, face masks etc, the only big differance that she could see was that they had closed one entrance to the public and dedicated it as staff only, she was one of only a few wearing face mask and gloves.
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Peedee
MKFM has been a good source of information on how MK Hospital is doing and I think before that five day period there as I think seven days without a death. Unfortunately surrounding hospitals like the Luton and Dunstable have been much harder hit so by no means over in our area.
David
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We have two hospitals in Herts ,on the south boundary at Watford which is on boundary of London and Middlesex ,and our nearest at Stevenage in the North of the county, on the near boundary of Beds and Cambs, and there were six deaths last week but where from?
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The Sage meetings from where the scientific information was discussed, until recently , also attended by the "senior government advisor"? i wonder if that has been the case recently ,as a lot more of the scientific advise is it seems, now more forthcoming from them ,which seems not what the cabinet want to hear
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Wow! Haldon and Telegraph Hills - phew! I've had cars that wouldn't get up there. 😁
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