Corona Virus Concerns
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As others above had said, it was way way too long .... people had lost the will to live by the time they got anything like half way through. If someone want to make a point, they need to be a little more concise ... KISS
And my point re supermarket staff is also a true scenario affecting thousands of people ... My wife works in ASDA & my daughter is a nurse that has to work with known COVID patients every working day.
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as mentioned (and highlighted by the MRT tome) folk will get attracted to different things following the relaxation re: distance...
this also coincides with the opening of Garden Centres and, looking at the normal demographic of these places, there will be many 'older folk' who will be taking their first steps for quite a while into the outside world.
now, for whatever logical reason, some of these will see garden centres as an OK place to visit, whereas these same folk wouldnt go near (or havent been near) a supermarket, despite exactly the same restrictions and precautions being taken...
as an 'attraction', rather than the 'essential' of the supermarket, 'plant' folk will be out in droves from today...
would you (one) take that extra risk or (perhaps more to point) not discourage elderly parents/relatives to join the throng?
plants or boxes of cereal, it makes little difference in how we are now allowed to 'basket them' but why 'get involved' if not 'necessary', especially following the number of references on CT to 'those who walk amongst us' who seem to be just about everyone except the person making the post.
...i guess they frequent garden centres, too.
i know some like plants and Garden Centres....a lot...but i wouldnt be walking round one today or any time soon, even in a BioHaz outfit.
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i know some like plants and Garden Centres....a lot...but i wouldnt be walking round one today or any time soon, even in a BioHaz outfit.
Us neither BB. The pictures on the news of queues of mainly elderly, who don't need to be there are worrying. Garden centres, DIY, beauty spots all accessible. Yet we still don't have any form of tracking in place. If there is another spike it will be far more difficult to contain, than if it was active. In my opinion they should have waited for that before starting to ease lockdown.
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in the local paper today
'Dorset Council Leader Cllr Spencer Flower said: “Our overriding priority is the safety and wellbeing of Dorset residents. We want to discourage people from outside the county and from areas with a higher rate of infection than Dorset from visiting our beaches and beauty spots, and inadvertently spreading the virus to local people.
Dorset Council has decided that, at this early stage, car parks at visitor destinations including beaches and country parks across Dorset will stay closed for the time being, this includes all toilets.'
Good to hear the council are on the residents side, But it comes with other issues such as on this first day there have been disgusting incidents of people defacating in bushes on the coast paths and in the flower beds of open space gardens
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You should ignore the Governments latest statistics, unless you are prepared to dig deeper into the reason why some places appear far worse than others.
We have been watching Sheffield, as our closest big city since things began. At an early point, the cases and deaths appeared to be very high. 🤷♀️So we did a bit of digging behind the statistics. Turns out that not only was one of the three big hospitals one of the first places to accept serious cases of this new virus, including those brought home from overseas, but it was also carrying out rigorous testing in the area at a time when not a lot of testing was going on. So this inflated the daily figures beyond other places that were not yet testing. In actual fact, our area hasn’t been too bad for a more urbanised area, and nothing like the London or Birmingham case numbers. This sort of explains things https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/01/misleading-and-alarming-sheffields-coronavirus-figures
So, the figures we are all clinging too, the only ones that have any degree of reliability, are still flawed. They are simply a number, unless you look deeper. It isn’t the case you know about that will get you, it’s those unreported, untested that are out there waiting to infect the unwary. I think the scientists have come up with a statistical formula to try and get closer to the real number of Covid deaths, beyond just the hospital cases.
The dead can no longer harm you. It’s the living that are the hazard. It’s selective in such a cruel way.
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"Yet we still don't have any form of tracking in place. If there is another spike it will be far more difficult to contain, than if it was active. In my opinion they should have waited for that before starting to ease lockdown."
I certainly agree with that Steve. How this change from "stay at home" to "drive anywhere in England" can be described as "baby steps" is beyond me. I feel for residents of popular tourist and beauty spots for the coming weekend, forecast to be sunny and hot, and for the Bank Holiday in a fortnight's time. I might have understood it more if they'd imposed some sort of limit, such as within one's county or within 100 km as in France - there are surely enough ANPR cameras out there to spot offenders and ease pressure on the police!
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I won’t be going near any Garden Centres either. Garden Centres to me are primarily big indoor shops, with a bit of outdoor space once you have got deeper in, selling all sorts of ancillary stuff like biscuits, overpriced furniture, bad taste gnomes, usually with not sparkling quality plants and the real money spinner.....a cafe/restaurant.
A small independent Nursery however, will be primarily outdoor, have more plants than tat, no eatery of any kind, and in the case of our local one, a very well organised and supervised staff running things very efficiently and safely.
We wont be doing any large shops, supermarkets, cafes, pubs, indoor attractions for months yet, maybe for the rest of the year. It is either going to be small, local and even then assessed for safety, or online. If I can’t get it that way, I simply don’t need it. And neither does my Mum.
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the statistics are quite worrying really,
If 250,000 people have been tested positive out of the 1.2 million people that have been tested, there being roughly 67 million people in this country.
60 x 250,000 is a lot of potentially infected persons, as the positive test results show, the number is not going down.
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With most that are going to drive out for a countryside walk I see little problem with distancing. In coastal areas with little open in towns etc to draw custom I also see little problem with day trippers. That does presuppose that people behave sensibly.
As far as supermarkets fo the two that I use are very civilised at the days I go and distancing is not a problem with folk acting civilly. Will go to local garden centre tomorrow for some lawn seed for where I have cut back some overhanging bushes. Next door called this morning for compost at 9am and no queues, two other cars in the carpark. Trolley handles (if needed) cleaned off to order by masked member of staff. Approach checkout behind screen when called. She realised she needed more compost and went back at 10.30 and still not crowded.
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It’s very worrying, and could possibly be a very long time before the more believable statistics Worldwide and in UK are truly understood.
Very difficult to know how to proceed at all to be honest. I suppose what is going to happen is that at some point, rightly or wrongly, the economy and getting back to a bit of normality is going to be the driver, hoping that the younger, fitter members of society can live through the exposure. But those older, more vulnerable, or with compromised immunity are going to have to get used to a lot more changes and restrictions. It might knock on other ways as well, because grandparental childcare could be difficult, as could anyone one fit but caring for someone vulnerable. There’s a lot to think through personally to try and get back to normality of any kind. Given that it’s a flu like virus, it could come back and bite hard again.🤔
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yes, that's a lot...15m people...
however, the 'world' figures for the 2.5m currently active cases shows that serious/critical cases are at 2%.
2% of 15m is 300,000 which, again is a large number.
world figures for the near 2m closed cases shows a death rate of 15%.
15% of 300,000 is 45,000 and that, too, is still a massive number of potential deaths based on the known proportion of deaths and the UK population level.
...but it is a long way from 15m.
...and the 'upside', if there is one, is that 14,955,000 of the 15m 'should' recover.
one can only hope that as infection rates fall (and testing/tracking increases) those current world 'percentages' may ease a little.
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I know some like plants and Garden Centres....a lot...but i wouldn't be walking round one today or any time soon, even in a BioHaz outfit.
I am a bit puzzled by the concern over Garden Centres as they are not all the same? We have a superb Garden Centre near us called Frosts. In normal times it is a large retail outlet but all their plants are in a separate part of the complex, mainly outdoors, apparently now organised to minimise the time spent under cover (if just buying plants) with tills allowing exiting directly into the car park. The last time I was in a supermarket was 12th March and no real intention of returning to normal food shopping. However I will seriously consider going to the Garden Centre obviously taking precautions by wearing gloves and a face covering. I have got to go out some time!!!
David
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David K, my post was to highlight the typical garden centre demographic and those (more vulnerable) older folk venturing out for the first time in a while.....as you mention (in reference to) yourself....
im happy to stay away from these folk as i do with my ancient parents and other relatives...so as not to add to the extra risk they undertake by 'getting in a few pots'...
as i also said, im sure some of these will think 'garden centres' (lovely flowery places...) are fine to visit yet they wouldn't dare visit a supermarket (horrible places...) yet the risk (IMO) is similar.
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as i also said, im sure some of these will think 'garden centres' (lovely flowery places...) are fine to visit yet they wouldn't dare visit a supermarket (horrible places...) yet the risk (IMO) is similar.
From what I have observed regarding supermarkets (no problem on the days and times I choose) and been told about our local garden centre there will be no problem ..... no idea about weekends though but if the numbers inside are controlled probably fine
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Alan, nor me.....
i go every Friday and also do an additional shop for my aged Godfather.. nor Another David, who, like me finds it a far calmer experience than previously...
my point was about the thinking of these older folk who are (im sure) discouraged from visiting the supermarket yet 'fancy' a day out at the GC.
risk wise, i see little difference but i was talking their potential (incorrect?) 'perspective'
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And so it starts! Sister in law phoned, they live in village very near the beach. Today, 4 young men on the beach, with cans. Then two went to little local food shop, just near the beach and bought more cans, apparently they were ok in the shop, socially distancing Later they returned again, this time not social distancing and walking in front of people. Shop owner refused to serve them asking them to leave, argument took place, shop owner showing them the door. Not recognised as local lads (everyone knows everyone in the village) so don't know if they were stopping locally or intended to drive! Sister in law said shop keeper gave as good as she got but clearly not happy. So this is people using common sense.
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No that is not common sense that is idiocy at its worst. There is no age limit for idiocy either as I found whilst out today. Most folk are out there with a positive attitude doing the best they can, caring for others. During this time anger takes over & folk see nothing but negativity, some actually look for it but the majority are good.
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As ever, Rocky, the vast majority comply but the stupid few ruin it and attract publicity. We rarely hear of the good, only the bad.
Sadly, I feel we're going to have to accept that incidents like this will become more common and getting stressed about it is only going to add to our own angst. Perhaps the best thing we can do is for each of us is to steer clear of the numpties and keep ourselves and ours safe.
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That’s fine, it seems, MM, as long as you travel home again the same day after your stroll on the beach. 🙄
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Isn't that an Initialism?!!
Another suitable initialism, on that was not complied with, would be the rule of ABC.
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Hi TW, agree completely with first para.
My view is that as I can do nothing, in regard sot what others are allowed to do, I will try not to let it get to me, concentrate on what I can do to minimise the risk to me and the family and try to maintain a questioning approach to all the 'guidance' being given.
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And its probably obvious that I made the same, deliberate of course, mistake!
Interestingly, that's being polite, I have been having to discuss the progress of my mother in law who was admitted to hospital on Sunday.
At first you don't want to say anything as they rattle of one acronym/initialism after the other but as its important don't want to get it wrong.
I was quoted the STEP system, the BD system, the brokerage dept etc, all this after being told I need to speak to the OT!
I asked and was told that they are ,short term enablement program, bi daily-as in visits, brokerage as in seeeking care providers and, the one I did know, occupational therapist.
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Yes, why should the few influence anything the majority wish to achieve or how we live our lives. Why should we have to bury our heads, pretend they don't exist and have to protect ourselves against their ongoing stupidity?. Identify them and their antisocial actions, name and shame them and procecute these socially inept and down right dangerous members of our community I say. Let's man up and give authority to those who should be protecting us all. Yes, do our bit but even better do it collectively!
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