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  • davetommo
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    edited May 2020 #1472

    That’s a 1st

  • DavidKlyne
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    edited May 2020 #1473

    We don't have wills by the way or POA's set up. Might get round to it one day.

    So you should. I assume I am not wrong in thinking that POA only allows someone to administer your affairs not divide up your estate? It will also make it easier for a surviving partner to inherit the estate. If you are both reasonably fit I would suggest a Will is more important than POA.

    David

  • davetommo
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    edited May 2020 #1474

    That’s what farmers use to fiddle the taxman

  • Pliers
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    edited May 2020 #1475

    I don’t think Fisherman will “take the bait “ with that one!

    🤣

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited May 2020 #1476

    You said that last time I used the same phrase. 😦

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited May 2020 #1477

    POA ceases on the death of the subject. From that point an executor takes over. 

  • Bakers2
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    edited May 2020 #1478

    Actually I'd say the other way round.

    If you don't want to live in a 'half world' or as a vegetable health POA is vital. Equally a wealth one will be required at that stage. Registering them saves time at the time. If they arent in place it's expensive to do in a hurry, about £5k possibly each???

    If you die intestate, without a will, there is a pecking order for distribution of your assets. Spouse offspring etc so unless you have a reason that you dont want things going in that percentage the basics are covered.

  • davetommo
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    edited May 2020 #1479

    Ok it’s a 2nd

  • KjellNN
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    edited May 2020 #1480

    Up here, If no will, spouse only gets a certain amount before the children get theirs, and you cannot completely disinherit either children or spouse, though they can decline to claim their rights.

    POA  need not be expensive to do if you have capacity, but does get pricey if the "public guardian" needs to be involved.

    Both wills and POAs are well worth organising sooner rather than later.  Most solicitors will give you a "package deal" to cover bith

  • Tammygirl
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    edited May 2020 #1481

    David we both had POA for my Mum, OH was the executor of her will as he was for my Dad. POA ends once the person dies while the executor carries on until the affairs are all sorted. 

    OH had a will when he was still serving, it was pretty much standard then. Things in Scotland are a bit different to England when it comes to sorting out  a persons estate. A number of my friends has POA's sorted but as yet neither of us feel the need. As I said one day we will get a will done but its not top of my things to do.

  • KjellNN
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    edited May 2020 #1482

    Is that will not still valid TG?

  • Tammygirl
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    edited May 2020 #1483

    No it was destroyed on termination of his service. 

  • Bakers2
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    edited May 2020 #1484

    It's the same in England. Certain percentage to spouse,children, siblings and parents I believe if they all survive the deceased. 

    I was surprised that this time there was no spouse survival for 28 days, as there was on our previous ones. We were originally told this  saved work and expense if say both died, but at different times, from say a road accident, just the last to die will is invoked.

    POA's can, like wills, be DIY, forms available I believe, but of course you need to be aware of the "rules". If a POA isn't registered that has to be done when its needed- more delay. I believe it's cheaper to do when theres no urgency, last year ours were £82 for each so that was times 4, 2 health 2 wealth. If the board of guardians get involved it's very expensive and I'm not sure you can name your Attorney it can be imposed and not a family member thus who has knowledge of the person, just 'their job'.

    We have ensured both of our children 😉 have written wills and got POA's, not sure what they're called in NZ. 

    We have had a couple of occasions where they may have been needed, starting in our early 40's for OH. I have always known OH wishes, as he has mine, the kids did too but now they don't live at home there maybe subtle changes in views? It makes it crystal clear for all concerned inside and outside the family 😉.

    Last year I had to have a horrible conversation about putting OH on life support, with a very unknown outcome, with doctors. They were great but couldn't be certain that what I told them were his wishes. In the end it didn't come to it, but immediately he was well enough to discuss they took it up with him. Fortunately I had been right 😉 and a DNR was added to his file. Sadly this doesn't stay on the top but gets buried so it's not always clear at the time it's most needed 

    Personally I cannot stress the importance of having such matters sorted. Not a pleasant task when you have to confront the realities, but once done it takes weeks!, it can be filled safe in the knowledge your wishes will be respected - hopefully 😀

     Edit you can include requests for your body disposal and funeral in your will but they do not have to be adhered to.

    As my mums vicar, who conducted her funeral - (she had noted things about what she'd like in various places, again a bit more distressing for my brother and I as they were discovered when least expected) said you don't have to do everything, you can choose hymns and readings too - after all she won't be there! Which I thought was a wonderful quip, we both approved and like the man anyway. My brother's retort was fear of haunting 😱

  • brue
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    edited May 2020 #1485

    The spouse will only get a third of the estate in Scotland if there's no will. 

  • brue
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    edited May 2020 #1486

    I should add, on a more cheerful note, get it done and then forget about it! wink

    What's going to be announced today I wonder? The papers look as though they've gone into a silly frenzy when the reality will no doubt be more controlled. 

    Will the refuse and recycling tip be by first vision of freedom?! laughing

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited May 2020 #1487

    I think some recycling centres are opening, but not fully, mainly for household waste rather than things like garden waste, electrical etc.... Our garden waste collection is reinstated from tomorrow, and given that we pay for it, they have also said that the two missed collections will be made up, so that’s good news.

    I find myself daily more astounded as to how pathetically under prepared our country actually is for such as this pandemic. We seem incapable of producing the equipment so urgently required, such as gowns, masks, gloves, etc..... and are being shipped sub standard tat from elsewhere. (Thankfully, a little army of makers and creaters had stepped into the breach) Now it transpires swabs are being flown to USA for testing🤷‍♀️ 

    I suppose we should be thankful it wasn’t an act of aggression, can just imagine the telephone conversation......

    ”Hello Mr P, about those warheads aimed at us.....do you think you could hang on a couple of weeks, we have just found ours are out of date. We ordered replacements from Turkey, but they don’t work, so we have sent them back and are trying to get some more. We have got our best people working on setting up new technology, but they want more money than we want to pay, so it’s a bit difficult..........And the planes aren’t ready for our new aircraft carrier yet, plus the Captain had an illegal party so he’s been sacked.......”

    It would be funny if it wasn’t true.......☹️

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited May 2020 #1488

    We’re heading down the toilet for sure. It’s been a mantra for decades has the destruction of our manufacturing base. We will be held to ransom if it isn’t sorted. Costing way more than future proofing industry. PS-not forgetting ‘the little army of makers’ being ignored by Govt until they sold their wares to the USA🤷🏻‍♂️🙄

  • Bakers2
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    edited May 2020 #1489

    Not very often you'll hear me praising our local council, although it did change colour last year 😉, all our collections 4 a week, have continued as has grass cutting, street sweeping etc. No extra charge for garden waste at present!

    BT have been and still are up poles and threading cables in holes around the area, in the little area I have been out and about in 4 times in 54 days! 5G I believe.

    Theres also lots of new Mark's and colours on pavements and round potholes 🤣🤣🤐

    Takethedogalong I'm fully with you over our unpreparediness 😤🤐. I was staggered to find swabs were being sent to America for testing! I sincerely hope this will be a wake up call? But I fear not. Think of all the employment, tax etc it would generate 🤐🤐🤐. 

    Certainly heard more planes in the last few days and seen evidence of them higher in the sky. A bit like the traffic increasing...

  • papgeno
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    edited May 2020 #1490

    Our local council tip is reopening tomorrow after they originally said they wouldn't open even though government advice was that they should open. The councillor responsible said they expected there would be long queues, who would have thought it.

    To be fair they have kept up with grey and green bin collections.

  • thebells
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    edited May 2020 #1492

    Dreading tonight's News Special. Expecting people to use common sense and "be alert" to the still present dangers of Covid 19 is another disaster waiting to happen. I was fully prepared for lockdown to continue at least until the end of May. I thought there would be some easing of restrictions going into June and then a reassessment of the situation depending upon the outcome of this......I have been woefully naive in my expectations 😣

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited May 2020 #1493

    We've been voting for this for decades, I’m afraid. I’ve no wish to be political but I think we all know when outsourcing and selling assets started with the aim of appearing to make us a more affluent country with individuals having cash to splash.

    The truth is that under the surface we're poor in terms of reserves and resilience due largely to lack of manufacturing ability, defence and law enforcement. I'd like to think the present situation will serve as a wake up call to this and future Govts but I doubt much will change.🙁

  • thebells
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    edited May 2020 #1495

    I used to feel the same way, but our country's handing of this crisis has left me feeling disillusioned. 

  • JVB66
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    edited May 2020 #1497

    I agree ,, every one who does not have to make the real decisions for this country can always "expound" their ideas  ,normally after the event

    As we should all know  by now,  no-one  anywhere has got it right  ,as four months ago it was almost unheard of 

    Some  have not got it as wrong as others 

     But then all countries ,have very diferent populations and how they are spread arround the different areas of land mass  , 

       As is said hindsight is  wonderfull  

  • Hakinbush
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    edited May 2020 #1498

    I'm with you there Steve, they get right across Europe to France and you would think they've arrived in utopia, but no they risk life and limb to  get across the channel to, in there mind paradise its a shame some people just have to keep knocking our country, but when they are quoting the likes of the Guardian, Independent, or BBC  well my case rest's.

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited May 2020 #1499

    I think there’s a difference between running our country down and taking a realistic view, Steve. There is good and not so good to be found in all countries and our handling of the C19 crisis has been largely superb.

    Yes, there have been one or two blips, notably PPE and some lack of joined up thinking. That lack of PPE relates directly to what I said in my earlier post regarding reserves.

     

  • JVB66
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    edited May 2020 #1500

    If as the "experts" predict we are in for a very bumpy ride for quite a few years yet?

    The one big thing that could now be canceled is HS2 as the much vaunted extra capacity will not be needed ,that will help by saving billions of pounds ,

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