Ever the optimist!

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  • Rufs
    Rufs Club Member Posts: 4,073 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    edited April 2020 #92

    should*nt worry about any of this, those of us who are 70+ or on the serious at risk register will be in lock down until a vaccine is made available, 6 - 12 months so even if sites open many on here will not be able to avail themselves.yell

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited April 2020 #93

    Peter, with respect, I don’t know how you think us ordinary folk have any more idea than you of what might happen with bookings in that hypothetical situation.

    If you seriously want an answer from the club, I suggest you mail them and ask. Good luck with that.

    My personal opinion is that they would not be reinstated for a variety of reasons from IT capability to doubts about members still requiring those bookings. If pigs fly and sites open prior to 30 June, you'll be able to rebook.

  • Oneputt
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    edited April 2020 #94

    I think you will find it means less restrictions on some of your local people and doesn’t for instant mean loads of people from high incidence areas will suddenly pile in

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited April 2020 #96

    I wish I could believe it, One. If the police found it necessary to repel visitors at the borders over Easter with all the restrictions in place, I can envisage people attempting to flock here if they see us, in their eyes, open for business.☹️

  • nelliethehooker
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    edited April 2020 #97

    I agree TW, especially some who have holiday homes and static caravans down there, and also those who still have bookings at cottages etc for later in the holiday season.

     

     

     

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited April 2020 #98

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  • Tammygirl
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    edited April 2020 #99

    Pretty much the same up in the Highlands and Islands. Cases very low so if restrictions are lifted there it will become the go to place. There are still those who are planning to do the NC500 ASAP yell

  • DavidKlyne
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    edited April 2020 #100

    David

    I think that might defy the science. COVID-19 can survive on surfaces for 72 hours according to experts. Personally, even if site were open I wouldn't go near a site toilet block particularly as you can't judge everyone by your own rigorous hygiene standards, some are very laissez faire in their attitudes.

    David

  • marchie1053
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    edited April 2020 #101

    Even The Beatles were very Laissez-Faire, but I preferred their less pretentious version, 'Let It Be'undecided

    Steve

  • Rufs
    Rufs Club Member Posts: 4,073 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    edited April 2020 #102

    but look what is being quoted in the press

    Tourism officials in Cornwall say 80% of the industry could collapse if holidaymakers do not return for July and August.

    The loss of the Easter trade has already set the sector back around £300m.

     
    Visit Cornwall chief executive Malcolm Bell told Sky News this is proving a major test for the county's tourism businesses

    I guess it is a case of "you cant have your cake and eat it"

  • allanandjean
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    edited April 2020 #103

    Hi TW, catcjing up on CT saw your post so had a look and found the Cornwall Live website headline;

    "Cornwall could be one of the first parts of the UK to see coronavirus testing"

    The byline said;
    "Relatively low number of infections means community contact tracing could be trialled in the county"

    Reading the report it seems that he was suggesting using testing and tracing, as a possible alternative to the restrictions we have now, in the future.

    "He also suggested that testing and community contact tracing could be trialled in places such as Yorkshire or Cornwall today “because those are parts of the country which have relatively few Covid cases”.

    Looking at it from a personal perspective that would seem to be preferable, BUT only if the restrictions on people travelling to Cornwall, or anywhere else, are maintained till there is adequate evidence that it is working.

    I still believe that the current restrictions are unsustainable, and that the longer it continues the more people will be likely to breach them, so alternatives will have to come, either through effective trialing as seems to be being suggested, or sadly because we reach a point were there seems to be no alternative..

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  • marchie1053
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    edited April 2020 #105

    BBC website reporting that an additional 30,000 mortuary spaces are being prepared for UK; and Government has heeded NHS UK Providers advice/request not to talk about shipments of PPE until the stuff actually arrives in UK and has been checked for numbers of items and quality of product. Weekend's promised delivery from Turkey still waiting for permission to leave Turkey and earliest arrival time will be late afternoon today.

    UK Government warning against lifting the lockdown too early because of risk of second wave of infections. And Tokyo Olympics unlikely to happen unless the vaccine is developed and scaled up very shortly.

    Steve

     

  • Heethers
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    edited April 2020 #106

    Just looked at sky news Cornwall 80% of businesses will close if they don't get visitors in before August, sooner or later we will have to bite the bullet, get the economy going make sure we maintain the NHS and keep the Nightingale hospitals open, l believe in the lock down for the next 3 weeks but after that yo have to trust in the people to keep the social distancing, only way we will get through it. It's not in our make up to be locked down could cause more problems further down the line.

    Heethers

    Keep safe all and lets do our bit has sergeant Mannering used to say

  • moulesy
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    edited April 2020 #107

    I'm not sure why owners of holiday homes or static caravans should be considered any less responsible than other holiday makers, Nellie  (but then I would say that wouldn't I? wink)  The vast majority (not Kirsty Allsopp or Robert Jenrick admittedly) have been sticking to the rules already - the "idiots" seem to be those popping down for fishing trips,  camping weekends or simply to get away from the wife and kids!

    When all this is over, it will be important for the economy of tourist areas like Cornwall and the Lakes to be welcoming once again to visitors of all sorts. Personally, despite all the speculation about June/July, I suspect it may be September before a return to any sort of normality. I suspect the government will want to get past the mass tourist months of July and August before "releasing" us all.

  • young thomas
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    edited April 2020 #108

    i, too, suspect erring on the later rather than the sooner....

    I guess its difficult to asses the relative 'damage' of coming out too soon (risk of second wave etc) and too late (economic/social issues etc) but later would be my stab...

    September seems 'just about' a possibility....as it happens we have a 'date' with pals then which would be nice to fulful...

    if not, then we'll try over the winter.

    stay safe all, another beautiful day in Lockdown wink 

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited April 2020 #109

    On government advice the Club cancelled all Club site & CL bookings at least until the end of June. IF the government lift the no "non essential travel" restrictions before the end of June and the Club reopens sites will our cancelled bookings be reinstated or not?

    Simple and quickest answer to this one is......phone the Club.😁

    I think it’s going to take a very long time for the tourist industry to recover to be honest. Those still working will put work and financial income first, those retired and older are going to have to do some serious thinking about where they go, how they stay, what they do while away to minimise the risks that will be still be there.

    I have a great deal of sympathy with those areas with low cases reported, and why should such areas be expected to bear an influx of visitors from other high case areas? It’s could trigger another spread again. Any cottages or other holiday accommodation is going to need deep thorough cleaning between visitors to ensure confidence with future bookings, hotels with shared eating rooms will be higher risk, eateries will probably need to ensure social distancing is maintained, I can’t see many sensible folks browsing non essential shops with great confidence to be honest.

    Our chosen mode of holiday, in our own little snail shells is possibly the safest option, particularly if you use your own facilities and take measures at communal areas such as taps and waste points. But just how welcome we would be is a different matter. We could pack for a week, hit the road, pitch up on a CL and require nothing but fuel for a whole week and still have a great time walking and doing our own thing, but that’s not contributing to the local economy other than some lucky CL owner and a petrol station. 

    Not going to be easy.

  • marchie1053
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    edited April 2020 #110

     Peter,

    I think your question has been answered,possibly in an earlier post or alternative thread. IIRC, David Klyne [apologies if it wasn't you, David], confirmed that Bookings would not be reinstated, not least because the Club doesn't know if you still want the reservation.

    I cancelled my bookings manually,but, again IIRC, I think the Club system has wiped reservations out from each Member's 'tab' en masse, and that was the point at which David answered the question about reinstatement. Hope that makes sense!

    Steve

  • nelliethehooker
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    edited April 2020 #111

    I did say "some........." with you in mind not being one of them, when I made the comment. As you have pointed out some already have ignored the directive, and those mentioned, because of their "notoriety", are only the tip of the iceberg  I'm sure. Any sort of relaxation now will I suspect see hoards heading that way, and up here too, and our facilities are stretched already. We certainly don't want offcomers adding to the numbers in our hospitals, as, sure as eggs is eggs, that's what would happen.

  • moulesy
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    edited April 2020 #112

    👍

    I forgot to mention a certain Gordon Ramsay who, apparently is attempting to placate his "neighbours" in Rock by cooking them ... er ... a burger! yell

  • nelliethehooker
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    edited April 2020 #113

    Oh, how very generous of him!! I heard somewhere of a small village where one of the residents was paying for a fish supper for each of his fellow residents every Friday for a,month, now that's generosity.

  • young thomas
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    edited April 2020 #114

    on their latest frolick 'Gordon, Gino and Fred's American Road Trip' they visit a restaurant and have a 'burger' which has everything in it (incl prawns) along with Champagne etc and its large enough for all three to get stuck in....it was $777!wink

    looked the biz, tho.

  • EmilysDad
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    edited April 2020 #115

    I saw that ... even Gino said that no burger was worth that much

  • DEBSC
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    edited April 2020 #116

    I am really terrified of what will happen when the lockdown opens up. Undoubtedly after being shut in and it possibly being the height of summer, hoards of people will head here. It's unbelievable how crowded it gets here during the normal 'silly season' 6 weeks school holiday and this year, if open, is bound to be worse. People arriving from all corners of the country. I dread having to go to the supermarket if this happens and we certainly won't be going out anywhere else. At the moment I am ok but can't even bear to think ahead.

  • DavidKlyne
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    edited April 2020 #117

    On Newsnight yesterday there was an interesting YouGov survey which suggested that when lockdown is over it might take some time for the public's behaviour to return to what was considered normal prior to lockdown. There were about ten activities with things like going to the pub or to a restaurant and the majority verdict was that people will for some time to come be reluctant to re-engage with these things, especially those that require you to be in close proximity to other people. The only element that got an overwhelming positive response was going to a garden centre. If that proves to be anywhere near correct your concerns might be misplaced?

    David

  • Metheven
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    edited April 2020 #118

    Coming out of a lockdown will have to be controlled. It will not happen that a certain date given is open to a free for all, it would be chaotic and if left open like that another spike would soon ensue.

    Gradual and controlled with freedom of movement carefully rolled out until a way to halt this virus is found. It will be many, many months until we see freedom as we knew it returning.

    Even when back to 'normal' I can see safe distancing perhaps being a mainstay for a long long time, and a way of life that has to be accepted.

    It's a wake up call.

    Now what else has cheered me up today?laughing

  • brue
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    edited April 2020 #119

    Things to be cheerful for...                                                                 Some food outlets have been very enterprising, adapting their cooking for people who need food, hospital staff etc. I'm quite impressed with that...

    Just wish the clothing trade could have upped their game to make scrubs etc but at least some establishments have had a go. Plymouth Uni producing face shields via 3D printing was another success.

    It cheers me up to see that some people are enterprising. smilesmilesmile

     

  • peedee
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    edited April 2020 #120

    Things to be cheerful for..

    I'm still here and so are all my family. All have either remained in work or kept on with full pay. wink

    The possibility of having a vaccine available much quicker than thought.

    peedee

  • MichaelT
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    edited April 2020 #121

    I bet all the people and businesses who rely on tourism think differently and I wonder how people will react when they are being told they are not welcome, you never know they may take it to heart and never return thus making some places ghosts towns forever.

    Like DK says I think we will all change our behaviour for quite a while, I know now when I look a the TV and people are hugging, shaking hands etc. I look and think why arn't you keeping 2m apart and that may take a while to get out of my mind.