Corona Virus Concerns
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Fish, it would shock me if schools(the breeding ground of many outbreaks) will be opening soon🤷🏻♂️
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We are in it for the long haul I think, at least another month of official lockdown, then if they do derestrict some activities, those still vulnerable, and lets face it, that’s a huge percentage, are going to have to keep self isolating. Only a test can tell you if you have it, or you have had it. UK isn’t doing enough testing of anyone yet, so it will be like Russian Roulette. Children back at school? That will require enough teachers and other staff to be fit and healthy enough to enable that to happen.
Testing is the key. If you don’t know the true figures, how can decisions be made? 🤷♀️
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Hearing that that the "wet" markets are open once again in China (after saying they would close them) I'm wondering how much more should be done to stop the spread of these inter species viruses. They were asked to close them permanently after the SARS outbreak, nothing happened so we are where we are now and in for a long haul, sadly.
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That is the whole idea JV, help to save jobs & help companys from going under. The swim or drown option isn’t the clever option🤷🏻♂️
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Plus-a mutated version WILL be back & WILL take the life of those who don’t indulge in the culture. For a country wanting to be part of the 21st century World China are really not understanding the right way to go about it☹️
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It is not new. From a Guardian report almost 3 years ago to the week:
The study looks at just four of America’s 31 states that still adhere to capital punishment and finds that they are hoarding sufficient stashes of medicines to treat 11,257 patients in surgeries and other possibly life-or-death procedures, for executions. Were the findings from Arkansas, Arizona, Mississippi and Virginia extrapolated to the rest of the country, the number of operations that could be supported by the drugs would reach into the tens of thousands.
Several of the medicines are officially in short supply, with hospitals finding it increasingly difficult to lay their hands on them. As a result, doctors are making compromises in their care choices that are only being intensified by US prisons redirecting the chemicals towards the death chamber.1 -
I agree. The lockdown rules have to be reviewed every 3 weeks I think. Well the next 3 weeks take us up to the early May BH and the following 3 weeks to the late May BH so I can't see any major changes until at least the start of June even if the long touted flattening of the curves does start to appear. As others have said, we're in it for the long haul.
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Whilst some countries have imposed stricter lockdowns there are a few that are lessening them, such as Denmark and Austria. Even Spain are starting to talk about lifting them for certain workers etc. Still seems early for us. I'm with Rocky and the rest. can't see it happening anytime soon and us oldies are going to have to look out for second and third waves of the virus appearing.
I see that NICE are setting up or have set up a points based system, which from what I've read is a guide for doctors and clinicians to reach a decision as to whether you should have ICU care, a ventilator and maybe live or be denied them. A form of Euthanasia. Anybody over 80 will automatically have 6 points out of a total "allowed" of 8 before any illnesses and health conditions taken into account. Hoping MiL doesn't read this or hear about it. I think most will know some of this already goes on as those at the front line have to make awful choices already but having it writ down is rather a worry. I wonder if you get points knocked off for good behaviour, such as having a good level of general fitness?
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I agree we're in it for the long haul - no choice!
Am I an old cynicMy fb page has a post from a very local estate agent, not part of a chain as far as I'm aware.
"As thanks to our NHS staff 25% of sole agency fees for selling right up until 1 June."
Whoppee I should think the last thing on any NHS or key workers mind when this calms down, by the 1st of june, will be house selling. I should think they'll need a jolly good sleep and time for decompression and debriefing if they're going to come through this unscathed. I think that's where the help will be needed in the aftermath. Good mental health care will be the best help we can give them all.
Stay safe folks.
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WN. I remember my late Mum wanting an advance resuscitation refusal, she had reached 90 and didn't want to be revived etc. However some wouldn't want to do this in advance. The problem with Covid19 is the multiple organ failure not just lung ventilation. It's just a horrible nasty disease...
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But speaking to some of those on furlough, they were quite they had been put off work, and two openly admitted that if there company had not had the opportunity of getting 80% of their salaries ,,they had for some time expected to be made redundant ,but this is a much cheaper way of companies keeping staff on the books,for now, than having to pay redundancy,
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and now they have reported 108 new infections, and they expect us to believe that?.
they are going flat out to kick start their econmy in the hope that they can flood the world with PPE equipment that is not fit for purpose, but will still boost their economy, and where is the WHO whilst all this is going on, lots of statements, but zero action, fat cats again in the pockets of unscrupulous world leaders.
I sincerely hope the world is never the same again, and we should strive to ensure this is not so by firstly scrutinising all those so called world organisations to route out all those that are ineffective, and my guess, if done properly, a lot would be closed down,
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During your interviews of these people JV I’d get them to take a Polygraph if I were you as I’m convinced they are feeding you Bovine excrement tbh🤷🏻♂️
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Just received this. Had to laugh, so so Pam Ayres. I felt I should share on here as I know some of you will understand. Please take my word for it but I wasn't of the 60's generation - 70's maybe 😉
Pam Ayres' Poem
Time for us girlsI'm normally a social girl
I love to meet my mates
But lately with the virus here
We can't go out the gates.
You see, we are the 'oldies' now
We need to stay inside
If they haven't seen us for a while
They'll think we've upped and died.
They'll never know the things we did
Before we got this old
There wasn't any Facebook
So not everything was told.
We may seem sweet old ladies
Who would never be uncouth
But we grew up in the 60s -
If you only knew the truth!
There was sex and drugs and rock 'n roll
The pill and miniskirts
We smoked, we drank, we partied
And were quite outrageous flirts.
Then we settled down, got married
And turned into someone's mum,
Somebody's wife, then nana,
Who on earth did we become?
We didn't mind the change of pace
Because our lives were full
But to bury us before we're dead
Is like a red rag to a bull!
So here you find me stuck inside
For 4 weeks, maybe more
I finally found myself again
Then I had to close the door!
It didnt really bother me
I'd while away the hour
I'd bake for all the family
But I've got no flaming flour!
Now Netflix is just wonderful
I like a gutsy thriller
I'm swooning over Idris
Or some random sexy killer.
At least I've got a stash of booze
For when I'm being idle
There's wine and whiskey, even gin
If I'm feeling suicidal!
So let's all drink to lockdown
To recovery and health
And hope this awful virus
Doesn't decimate our wealth.
We'll all get through the crisis
And be back to join our mates
Just hoping I'm not far too wide
To fit through the flaming gates!!7 -
Nice one! B2. I was a teenager in the 60s - ah, I remember it well 😳
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The who shall have what scenario has been with us right from the very start to be honest. Some attempt made to contact who NHS think are the most vulnerable, sadly not based on up to date information in many cases. They are then told, stay indoors, do not go out under any circumstance’s, do not shop, socialise, go outside for exercise or walk the dog. Yes, it’s helping keep them safe. But is also because they are unlikely to be prioritised for a much needed ventilator or ICU bed, if things get to an overwhelming stage. In severe cases, the ventilation is such an intrusive process that you possibly wouldn’t make it if frail and with other complications. A mask over the face gives a better chance.
It’s heartwarming to know that some very elderly are coming through though. I cannot imagine the stress and mental trauma that the staff who are making these decisions must be under. It’s one thing to formulate a policy, quite another to be on the front line implementing it.
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Coronavirus testing, geez this is ugly & invasive-yup. . .Stay Safe & stay in folks☹️-
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Evening
So, how long before this thread bites the dust?
JK
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And the tangible science that the outbreak was caused by this market and that the vector across species is understood, is what exactly?
Oh sorry yes, poor speculation by some lazy western news media who quite frankly know very little about the subject but it doesn't stop them printing rubbish.
Use the web the read some scientific papers on the subject, there is plenty of it about.
Try https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7086482/
Follow it up by reading some of the excellent work done by the Wuhan institute in identifying this virus family and the species that carry them.
There is no blame for this outbreak, virus do not discriminate.
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These wet markets are still open in the USA too. See attached video. Global cooperation is now required to sort this out. Not blame!
https://support.peta.org/page/17791/action/1?locale=en-US
For me the above video is horrific on all levels, for others I guess not so!
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The original potentially fatal issue you pointed out isn’t getting to the hard core of ‘it won’t happen to me’ types I thought I’d try a more novel way to help after seeing the test for Covid-19 on line👍🏻
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I'm not discriminating and I've also read up about Covid19 and I don't think these wet markets and wild animal trade should continue. I read up the reports in the Lancet released by the Chinese authorities.
Obviously this is upsetting to read but it's a scientific analysis not "newspaper" reporting which also, when it's good, can also be enlightening.
There have been a lot of arguments on CT recently so I won't comment further on this thread as I did not intend to start another one.
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I found this interesting in the context of my daughter's experience. She is a student at Newcastle uni and lives in a student house near campus. Monday 9th March, after feeling unwell for a few days, she became very unwell having trouble breathing and feeling faint. Her boyfriend insisted they went to the local walk in, where they discovered her temperaturewas at 40 degrees and after the usual ibruprofen and paracetamol had no effect she was eventually referred to the RVI for further assessment. When she arrived at hospital a "team" in full ppe were waiting for her and she was admitted into an isolation ward whilst they ran tests. Blood was taken and a nurse did a swab as shown in Rocky's picture: except it wasn't! My daughter said she felt as though the nurse didn't really know how to do the swab test (she admitted it was her first one) and the cotton bud barely made contact with the inside of the nose. At no point was Covid 19 mentioned but my daughter said it was the unmentioned elephant in the room and she was terrified. At 2am they managed to get her temperature down to 38 degrees and issued her and her boyfriend with face masks and sent them home to self isolate, advising she'd have her test results in 24 hours.
She had to ring them in the end and was told that blood test results were "unavailable" but "the swab test was negative"......She started to feel better in the following days but still now has a bit of a cough.
I can't help wondering whether or not she did just have some coincidentally nasty viral infection or whether it was Covid 19.
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It certainly sounds like Covid 19, Bells. It's good news that your daughter is improving.
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