Badger culling to be stopped.

moulesy
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Some good news to come out this week at last. The government has decided to call a halt to the barbaric slaughter of badgers and replace it with a vaccination regime. Hopefully this will be succesful and both sides of the debate will be satisfied!  smile

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/mar/05/badger-cull-phased-out-replaced-vaccinations-bovine-tb-england

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  • JVB66
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    edited March 2020 #2

    It is good to note that those of us"out of townies"have been proved to be correct  ,when trying to advise those in favour of the cull,   that it was more down to the way that bovines were not being managed correctly,     that  would not make a cull succesfull ,  and vacination was a cheaper and far more effective method  

  • Oneputt
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    edited March 2020 #3

    New government new perspective.  Judging by the number of road kill Badgers I would think that is control enough 

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited March 2020 #4

    They won’t admit that the original policy was flawed, as determined by scientists at the time, but it’s better news for badgers thankfully. 

  • moulesy
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    edited March 2020 #5

    I've always thought it odd how many of those "road kill" badgers make it to the verge at the side of the road,  though!  undecided

  • brue
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    edited March 2020 #6

    Good news for all, hopefully. Bovine TB is an awful disease.

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  • trellis
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    edited March 2020 #8

    Excellent news , can't come quick enough .

  • Amesford
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    edited March 2020 #9

    I have myself one moved to grass verge in a country to prevent an accident and I can tell they are no light weight but lovely animals I did once sit in the hedge by a sett to see if could watch one only to look around and see one watching mesurprised

  • Wherenext
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    edited March 2020 #10

    I had the pleasure of having one caught in the nightlight in our garden at 2 am as he was ransacking the ground cage put out to feed the small birds. He'd overturned it and after looking at me in disgust, turned tail and slowly shuffled out back into the woods from whence he came. I've never been more delighted to be woken up at that hour.smile

  • moulesy
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    edited March 2020 #11

    Why would they "always" be at the  side of the road ? Aren't many hit in the middle  of the  road?

    Yes, I do have another explanation - but this is not the place to state it, sorry, not going to play your game on a sensitive topic like this. frown

  • moulesy
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    edited March 2020 #12

    Yes, I agree - I was born and brought up in a North Wiltshire farming village and still live just 4 miles away. A school friend of mine took over his father's farm and I can remember him in tears when he had to have his animals put down about 12 years ago. 

    Two sides to this story and hopefully this is a more equitable solution to the problem. smile

  • JVB66
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    edited March 2020 #13

    Some years ago we followed a Badger for about 400 yds a it was wadling down the middle of the road from lLam hall, i think it was glad of our headlights showing the way

  • Wherenext
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    edited March 2020 #14

    I have No Comment to make. Report away if you feel the need.

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  • moulesy
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    edited March 2020 #16

    I have no clue what you are driving at David - which ex moderator are you talking about? I realise you are just trying to get an argument going but I'm not going to oblige you!  Please just stick to the topic of the thread. frown

  • JVB66
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    edited March 2020 #17

    I do not normally report out of order comments as I usually let them go, as in my past life ,it was part of every day,  working with the public ,   just thought that on here some were above that? but have noted some posters are quite "sensitive?"at times 

  • Bakers2
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    edited March 2020 #18

    I have noted this, rarely do I see mammal road kill in the middle of the road. I assume that the impact has something to do with it???

    Our now DIL, she wasn't then 😉, hit one on the slip road to the A12 in the dark after she left us. She was too frightened to stop at first layby but eventually she had to as it had done so much damage! Son and OH to the rescue to await the tow truck and comfort her, think son went home with her 😉. Expensive too! 

    I grew up in the country and never saw a badger until I moved to the town 😂😂. Ran around the local fields and never saw a sett maybe our farmers were lucky??DIL suffers with them in some of her cultivated fields - more expensive when the machinery falls in an entrance. My heart goes out to farmers who have the restrictions and have to have their cattle culled so much of a loss in at least two senses.

    Hopefully this will restore some sort of balance.

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  • JVB66
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    edited March 2020 #20

    I have noticed that recently,  it seems, with  some postersundecided

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited March 2020 #21

    Its not a conspiracy theory, it’s a long reported fact that some animals found dead on roads hadn’t died as a result of road traffic incidents. It’s not a new or particularly recent phenomena, lots of different news sources. 

  • moulesy
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    edited March 2020 #22

    "Cranks"? If that's your attitude I've no wish to discuss this with you further - I note you haven't named the "ex moderator" -  "central reservation"? Not "always" on the side of the road then?  undecided

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited March 2020 #23

    Good post, WN. A well balanced summary. 👍🏻

  • brue
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    edited March 2020 #24

    It is a bit of an urban myth about badgers being placed on road sides, who would want to pick one up in the first place...thinks fleas, lice and a rather strong odour! wink

  • moulesy
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    edited March 2020 #25

    "It is a bit of an urban myth about badgers being placed on road sides, who would want to pick one up in the first place...thinks fleas, lice and a rather strong odour! "

    That's rather unfair on many farmers, brue!  laughing

  • Wherenext
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    edited March 2020 #26

    Thank you TW

    I do hate to see any animal suffer, whether it's a badger or a cow, and one has to feel a great deal of sympathy for the farmer who will have a huge financial and, let's not forget, emotional hit on seeing his herd put down. I still feel though that this new initiative may help both sides.

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited March 2020 #27

    I’m with you there. I have friends in the farming community who have suffered. It helps if we can see both sides of the story and, yes, let’s hope this move is to everyone's benefit. 

  • safety
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    edited March 2020 #28

    most of the people talking about badgers know very little about them.  They do more damage to wildlife than any other animal.  They have destroyed most of the Hedgehogs, nothing on the ground is safe from them. Bumble Bees are their favorite in summer Ground nesting birds are very rare now, they hunt the earth worms every night across the fields, worms are the basis of cropped land . What do you think they live on in winter?

    So I presume you want many more Badgers than there are now at the expense of all the other ground birds and animals. This would go down in history as a huge mistake. Only humans control the number of Badgers, if  they are not controlled they will ruin the countryside.

    So lets have an answer do you want all Badgers, or do you want a mixture of all wild life, there is no way you can have both                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited March 2020 #29

    What you are talking about there is-nature, it has a hierarchy & food chain, the Badger being high up that food chain in the natural world. To slaughter one part of that natural food chain to save farmers money is not natural it is greed. Humans have destroyed & meddled with most of the natural world because we abuse our position of being the apex predator. Nature will balance its world, we will always destroy that natural balance thru greed.

  • EasyT
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    edited March 2020 #30

    I bet many don't think the same way when they get rid of whitefly on their tomatoes though 

  • cyberyacht
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    edited March 2020 #31

    I can't recall seeing many badgers either alive or by the roadside fifty years ago. The population has clearly increased.