Illegal charging of electric cars
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Reference my original post the owner were a bit miffed because of selfish members, It is those selfish members who are the problem.
The poor site owners have experienced awning 3 kWh heating running all day long, air conditioning units running with all the windows open. They provide an immaculate full service CL for £16.00.
No I accept their term and full understand their position. I can charge the mobility scooter up using the 120watt invertor in the boot of the car, or the cigarette lighter socket in the caravan. As we have 2 x 80watt solar panels and a MPPT controller we don't us our onboard 12v charger.
Like I stated before £2.00/8.00 to charge PHEV/EV is fair and reasonable, it is only a interim measure at the moment.
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I had not realised your car was full EV Brue. The club will have no problem with Ofgem as they are not retailing electricity as such.
You pay your £8 to use the facility. No units are charged for you can use as much as you like (or as much as your batteries will hold - or as little). That's the package offered and users an take it or leave it. I am certain that companies setting up charging facilities will make a profit from the sale in one of many ways such as a cost per visit or a cost per minute parked on top of any metered cost.
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I think there are a lot of variables in this and the pricing structure is a bit catch all. However as an EV user I'd probably not bother to use such a slow charge when on a site mainly because it reduces the capacity on offer paid for in the pitch fee. I'd be paying more for less.
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They have put signage up NO charging of electric vehicles, electric bikes and mobility scooters £2.00 per charge, a bit high but I think they are a bit miffed.
Maybe some different punctuation and wording would make it clearer.
Is it "no charging of electric vehicles, electric bikes and mobility scooters".
Or "no charging of electric vehicles, but electric bikes and mobility scooters £2.00 per charge"
What is being charged £2.00?
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You still do not seem to be able to comprehend the problem, that this and other cl users are facing with the ever increasing use of electricity "needed?"by some members, and if your cycle takes that small amount of power, surely it can be charged via your,internal 12v supply ,
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If you want to charge your electric vehicle or a hybrid you should be put on a meter to charge what ever you want Near the office .. If you are caught charging on a pitch you should be charged a very high rate then thrown off the site and banned.
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I have no struggle comprehending the problem they face, some clients use too much power, some will use it for the space heating rather than use their own gas.
Where this individual has lost the plot is in believing e bikes are big users, whereas they take an amount less that 35 minutes of the van's heater running on 1kW.
I already pointed out I could use my 12 VDC system, but as that takes its charge from the EHU, and doing it that way introduces two further convertion loses, it actual would cost more than the 12 p that seems to be the killer excess that bugs him.
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In June last year at Moreton in the Marsh CMC site across from us was Motorhome with an awning, there was a radiant heater in the awning running all day, the front of the awning was open and the occupant were sitting outside, heater still on. Later on some guest came around so they took the sides of the awning out and yes radiant heater still on.
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Perhaps people jump to conclusions too quickly and get all hot and bothered. Last year my wife and I went to collect our new MH. We drove down in our EV and then went to a site, having charged a couple of times on the way. I had already asked the C&MH Club if I could plug in to the MH to charge the car if necessary. They said "yes". So, "illegal" (whatever that is meant to mean)? No, or not necessarily.
I see the Club has now published prices for charging. At £8 per day from a 13a plug this is half-cocked and makes no allowance for how much electricity is used. It's also very slow, which is fine at home if you aren't needing to use the car immediately.
They would have been far better to collaborate with a company like Instavolt and set up dedicated charging stations. Typical amateurish half-hearted solutions.
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This is a temporary arrangement, GJ, and no doubt something as you suggest will follow.
Prior to this temporary arrangement the situation was, as you found, that you could plug in via your caravan free of extra charge. The 'illegal' bit referred to by the OP was his observation of people plugging in directly to bollards. It is still a requirement that you charge via the van in order to have the added protection of the caravan's tripping system.
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It is a start, and as it is at the moment down to the members "honesty",it will be interesting how it works out , without the need for investment, especially in some sites, who may already be nearing the end of leases ,those with long leases or are owned by the club, it seems , are already getting dedicated charging points installed
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I see the Club has now published prices for charging. At £8 per day from a 13a plug this is half-cocked and makes no allowance for how much electricity is used. It's also very slow, which is fine at home if you aren't needing to use the car immediately.
I think that you miss the point. You charged twice on the way to site and could have charged off site I presume. There are so few all EV cars on site that provision is not cost effective at present. It is not half cocked it is a provision if somebody really feels the need so that other site users do not feel that they are subsidising your travel.
They would have been far better to collaborate with a company like Instavolt and set up dedicated charging stations. Typical amateurish half-hearted solutions.
Pointless collaborating with anybody with so few EV cars on site. I have seen a few hybrids on sites but no EVs as yet. Any body who buys an EV at present and feels reliant on charging at his destination has made a bad choice IMO
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As an EV owner I agree Geejay, it all seems non sensical to me, a committee decision maybe without much grasp of the reality?
Just to correct JVB, yes our EV has a range extender (rex) in the shape of a small engine which boosts the battery. The rex can't drive the car and is only used when the battery needs a boost. It isn't used on short journeys and we certainly couldn't charge the batteries with it as a charge point could. The rex has now been discontinued.
As far as I am concerned the CAMC has made two wasted decisions, allowing charges inclusive of the pitch fee and now charging for the same (but with reduced capacity for the owners leisure van.)
I can't offer any suggestions but undoubtedly Hybrid owners will be increasing and the amount of ownership needs to match the amount of infrastructure needed. At present the quality of the pitch electrical supply to the van is reduced if anyone is going to charge from the EHU. This is just a make do solution, poorly thought out.
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"Pointless collaborating with anybody with so few EV cars on site." I wasn't going to come back on this, but really this is the typical British head-in-the-sand attitude. Don't get ahead of the game. Well, here's someone who doesn't share this attitude and is ahead of the game, even with so few EVs on the roads: https://instavolt.co.uk/case-studies/bannatyne-health-clubs/
I charged at a couple of these on the trip I wrote about, and there was no one else there, so Bannatyne and Instavolt must have made a bad choice. - but, remember all IC vehicles will soon be extinct
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With EHU it is a different situation. CMC sell a pitch package that includes the provision of an unmetered electricity supply. If I stay overnight in a hotel and say to the manager that I do not require to use the air conditioning or heating, nor the TV or the half hour included wifi I cannot see him charging less for the room - can you?
Sorry but I don't agree, there is no difference and I don't stay at a hotel carrying my own facilities. There is no comparison with a hotel.
peedee
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Instavolt by reading their website and where they have installed their chargers , seem to be in places that they think will give a reasonable return on their investment ,,i.e. a decent return by good usage ,which as far as many sites of both clubs ,they would not get until there is a really viable tow vehicle available in good numbers
Ice vehicles will be with us for many years ,well after 2035 when NEW ice vehicles will no longer be on sale, as posted before , there is nowhere near the infrastructure at present also as posted to make Evs a viable purchase, ,and even less so enough generation of electricity
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If you are unable to see what is "wrong" with charging a 1600% mark up on what can't cost more than 12 pence, I am not going to be able to help you understand what I and others I suspect would judge as more equitable.
Some will only understand what suits them rather than consider other points of view.
peedee
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What facilities are you talking about? A bathroom? How does that make any difference to the analogy of an all inclusive electricity price? would you care to explain how it does?
You expect in a hotel and would use, heating (which may be electric), AC,(definitely is) and electrical power to use all those things you would use in a caravan.
You certainly would not expect to be metered ? would you?
So yes it is exactly the same, and exactly the same for an all inclusive holiday or meal.
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