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Requirement any full week, serviced, 3 sites I fancy.
Southport fully booked every weekend from April until September, there is one weekend in June but not a week.
Chatsworth full every weekend between March and December, apart from a week in December.
Hawes fully booked from April but a week available in October!
The vast majority are weekend bookings, very few full weeks if any.
I take your point, and state that there are some weeks available at other sites, and that I have been selective but blocking the calendar with unlimited weekend bookings must be counter productive for the club.
As a member I am never to visit these sites?
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But how will a change in the 72 hour rule affect weekend availability? Which was your reply to me?
yes club sites are popular and weekends are popular.
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PD seems to be coming in for a fair degree of criticism on the issue of "abuse" of the 72 hour rule. I would suggest that this is the wrong word and his real concern is "exploitation", if indeed it exists.
The urban speed limit is 30mph. Before one is prosecuted, I understand that an allowance of 10% plus 2mph over the limit is the trigger point. Does this permit us to drive at 35mph as a matter of course?Certainly not. That would be exploitation. I submit that the point being made in this thread is of a similar nature.
Whether this issue actually exists, whether sporadically or persistently and to what degree, can only be determined by management reporting of the data being examined by the Club.
Suggestions have been made in the past that a differential system could be applied. i.e. Longer breaks able to be booked further in advance with "week-end" bookings only being permitted say a month in advance. Such a policy may produce its own problems. All this stuff is above my pay grade.
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"PD seems to be coming in for a fair degree of criticism on the issue of "abuse" of the 72 hour rule. I would suggest that this is the wrong word and his real concern is "exploitation", if indeed it exists."
I wouldn't say criticism, CY, but I'm still waiting for PD to explain how he considers it possible to abuse something that is outside of any regulation. That is quite unlike your speeding example which is blatant breaking of the rules.
I agree 'abuse' is the wrong word but so is 'exploitation' to my thinking. It's not abuse but use of a system. Immoral, maybe; unfair, maybe; not cricket, maybe, but allowed use all the same.
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but blocking the calendar with unlimited weekend bookings must be counter productive for the club.
How? by having full(er) sites at weekends brings in more income. Everyone is an equal member and therefore has equal access to all the sites at all times.
I think you mean detrimental to you?
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My neighbour runs a B&B. I asked her if at this stage of the year she would accept one night weekend bookings for the summer season, or reject them and wait for some longer reservations to come in. She's a canny lady and said she will wait a while .
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Where are you looking?as we are going to Hawes and it shows pitches at any time you want all through
Chatsworth as I posted is one of the few sites that is a very popular "honey pot"
Have just checked Southport and that has plenty of spaces
The only booked pitches seem to be for those who need? to have a serviced pitch?
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On the other hand, you get a cheeky so and so like me, who positively thrives on haggling over the price of single night B&B stops still vacant at 5pm😂
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How many "serviced pitches"on sites ,I am well into the "vunerable" group at this time , but a serviced pitch at those prices on top of awning pitch prices any where,
that is not in our present or hopefully future, part of our site pricing during any of our tours0 -
Phishing, I can understand your frustration. However, to be fair, your choice, particularly serviced pitches means you will have restricted access. Not criticising your choice merely pointing out it will limit greatly your access.
What would I do in your position? I would be booking the dates I want ASAP, where I want, and then cancel what I couldn’t do ASAP, but well outside the 72 hour cut off. Someone else will pick up those cancelled pitches, you win, they win, the Club gets its income. No matter how the system is implemented, it will not suit some. Using it this way is how it is designed for the moment.
Want to help prevent overbooking of short weekends? Use price differential. Book a full week, pay x price for Fri/Sat, turn up on day or book 48 hours max in advance, pay same price. Book Fri/Sat only a long time in advance......you pay more. It’s what some CLs do, it’s what some cottage owners do.
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My post about abuse of booking system has been Deleted User . This has been talked about before , why was mine Deleted User ? its only a discussion point . Derek
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I have suggested that very late take up of pitches could be heavily discounted, but it’s fallen on deaf ears. The Club doesn’t allow its Site staff to haggle sadly.......😁
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Now that is being very exclusive, as it would only apply to M/Hs in the vast majority of cases. However the way the CC's seems to be going I wouldn't count it not happening.
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You could get your first night Nellie! Then stay on.😁
🤔 Mind, overall, better value on a CL, unless it’s a no facility site😉
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No, as anyone in hospitality will tell you the % occupancy levels are what make or break a business. Any muppet can sell weekends in a popular place.
By having 100% weekends booked for the year as per the examples in my post then you lose the possibility of selling week or longer bookings and then have to heavily discount Monday to Thursday to increase occupancy. This is a terrible model to sell accommodation from a revenue generating point of view.
But then we don't know the occupancy levels, nobody seems to supply this information. Is the type of information below available from the club, do they know?
https://www.visitbritain.org/accommodation-occupancy-latest-results
PS Not detrimental to me I tend to use AS or Independents, proper booking systems, big pitches, good prices.
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Why would we need to know the occupancy levels? How would that enhance our use of the club?
There are boffins at HQ paid to work on things like that and it matters not at all to us members on the ground.
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I haven't read all of the posts so apologies if anything i say is a repeat or has been covered.
I started off having quite a bit of sympathy with your position Phishing, having to work and seemingly being in caring I realise that other matters have to be arranged but unless I'm missing something your beef seems to revolve around not being able to book Serviced Pitches at your favoured sites. You mentioned Southport yet this site only has 9 SPs out of 143 pitches in total, about 6-7%. What is wrong with the other pitches? Until a few years ago SPs didn't exist and presumably you would have been quite happy with one of those. So why cut your nose off to spite your face. The CAMC is offering you a weeks holiday at 93% of its pitches at Southport in the month I looked at, namely June.
I still have some sympathy for those people working who only have 3-4 weeks holiday and can't acquire a pitch due to weekends being booked but to be honest it has always been thus. We had the same problems but seemed to manage somehow.
If you really need SPs for some physical reason then check out some CLs that have installed them. There is information on the CL section that tells you which ones have SPs. We stayed on one last year in Devon that had its own Elsan waste point on each pitch.
Look around or widen your remit.
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Wherenext, thanks for your comments. I was explaining why I don't use club sites, I always get what i need just never on club sites.
I use serviced pitches purely out of convenience, my choice. We use the onboard washroom and I really find carrying water a chore that I dont need to do.
SPs have existed for many years ( Club not exactly leading in the adapting to change stakes) and are now available in most high quality sites, some I have been on are now exclusively serviced, and those that are not wish they were! The growth in private facility on pitch is also massive, bit costly but have done it for long continental stay.
I have used the CLs after finding the excellent post on serviced CLs with interactive map, had some excellent stays. Why do the club not do this for CLs or indeed allow FS search string in the Club site booking pages?
"So why cut your nose off to spite your face" I dont It tend use AS or Commercials.
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It would allow the membership to decide if the current policy was effective and giving good value or requires change.
"It matters not at all", I would suggest that this is critical to the survival of the club.
"Ignorance deprives people of freedom because they do not know what alternatives there are. "
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How can the membership possibly decide on the effectiveness etc of current policy when we cannot know all the factors governing such business decisions? To understand it all we would need to be involved in the day to day admin of the business.
Similarly, how on earth can members knowing occupancy levels be critical to survival of the club?
As for your "ignorance" quote, we have freedom in the ability to book or not, to belong to the club or not, to use its sites or seek out others.
You're over thinking it, Phish.
I understand your frustration with not getting the bookings you want but it is down to your personal circumstances rather than the club’s way of working. A lot of us have been there and accept it’s our own situation causing the problem. WN has hit the nail on the head by suggesting you are imposing restrictions on yourself which is making things difficult. You like SPs but, regrettably, we can’t always have everything we want.
Anyway, good hunting in your search for your ideal pitches.
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By having 100% weekends booked for the year as per the examples in my post then you lose the possibility of selling week or longer bookings and then have to heavily discount Monday to Thursday to increase occupancy. This is a terrible model to sell accommodation from a revenue generating point of view.
Ignoring the Chatsworth site which is a special case in its popularity, the sites mentioned are not 100% full at weekends. The OP wanted a serviced pitch of which there are relatively fewer available to start with. These are booked but other pitch types are available
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I don't know (sigh) I ask a simple question,
"Does the Club monitor cancellation occurring before the 72 hour deadline if so have any members been reprimanded for cancelling too many?" and some members turn it into the Spanish inquisition!
The fact the Club has not answered speaks volumes and has permitted the thread to descend into into something akin to a wrestling match.
Peedee
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It would allow the membership to decide if the current policy was effective and giving good value or requires change
What? why would the membership want to decide that at all? I don't decide if my local Sainbury's or gym has an effective policy or giving value for money I just decide if I like the product and prices.
Most members or rather those who are members and use club sites simply make their mind up on similar if not exact lines. They do of course decide by putting their LV on club sites, in fact they do this so much that you complain you can't get a pitch.
critical to the survival of the club
What? this isn't some organisational/business that is failing is it? Year on year more people complain about sites being full not getting a pitch... I think the club survives pretty well and has done for many years.
Sorry I can't help think you want the club to change its booking procedures to suit you
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And you got numerous answers, one from the club already but you missed it. The answer once again is no, why should it?
I asked you (sigh) how you personally have been inconvenienced by the current rules, you still have not answered and that speaks volumes too.
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