LPG pumps on campsites
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JVB....would you like to read that again and edit it to make sense?
Once I can understand , I can answer your question.
Meantime, as far as I am concerned, any place selling LPG can implement whatever rules they feel necessary, and I would be happy to follow them. If they feel the need to supervise, so be it.
My point re other suppliers was that other than the little lassie taking the money, nobody anywhere we have filled in the last 8/9 years has shown any interest in what we were doing when filling.
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As DD you are not reading what is in the instructions pertaining to remote Lpg tanks with pumps for use by the general public either at Henlow lakes as per the OP, or as would required when using remote pumps on caravan or any where else so installed
read the instructions that DD has not fully from the west Yorkshire fire service
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JVB. Have you ever bought LPG from a service type station, ie, not in bottles? A place where you connect up a delivery hose to a special inlet valve either for propulsive fuel or to fill up large onboard tanks?
I have, weekly for 20 plus years. So has my OH, ex Fire Service Station Officer. So I can assure you that we have both practical experience and all the safety aspects well covered. Down those 20 years, I can only recall three places where the staff helped and indeed did the filling up. One in Cornwall near St Erth, (Sandow’s), one just off the ferry at Tarbet on Mull of Kintyre, and another was an agricultural place deep in Shropshire. They did the same for all the fuels they sold. Otherwise, it’s just the same as filling up with diesel or petrol. You connect up, wait for the pump to be zeroed, and then just lean on a button until your tank is full. No special training required, no special skills required, you disconnect, pay up, and drive away. The hardest bit was usually remembering to put the fuel cap back on!
Nowadays, it would be perfectly possible to install card only payment pumps, in which case, very little human input required from the seller.Honest😁
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Nowadays, it would be perfectly possible to install card only payment pumps, in which case, very little human input required from the seller.Honest😁
It is possible, the place where I fill up at a remote pump lpg only no petrol or diesel, is an unmanned card payment only.
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Filling up at normal fuel stations where the staff at the pay point have control of the pumps, it is where the pumps are "remote" as would be on most caravan sites where the instructions, as at the OPs site where it is required to have a member of staff in attendance when the public need to use the LPG pump
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I give up. It’s no longer an issue for us at the moment, we sold our last LPG vehicle six months ago. The buyer was delighted, fully cognisant with all aspects of pump usage, remote, serviced, staff somewhere about, card only, good old fashioned cash, he’s perfectly happy doing them all! Very cheaply as well😂😁
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My local ASDA has no staff at all at night when I use the automatic pumps. Even during the day when there is someone in the kiosk they do not bother with me filling with Diesel. At Morrisons or the local Shell garage again the LPG pump is left for me to use as I wish.
It may be the site in question here wants a member of staff present to make sure no one fills up and runs off and its likely the pump does not link to a terminal in the office so they would need to check how much was dispensed to charge the right amount?
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And I have already said that this would not be a problem for anyone wanting to fill! They make the rules, the customer follows them, or they do not get a fill. A campsite such as in TW’s original post will be following the rules that apply to their situation. Nobody has suggested otherwise.
What exactly is it that you are so wound up about?
Other LPG suppliers may have a different way of doing things, as long as it is safe and legal, what is your problem?
Large fuel stations such as Shell and the supermarkets are hardly going to be operating illegally or unsafely.
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...as is the network of Countrywide pumps i mentioned upthread...
a key and code pin number to access the pump, fill, go away....filling cost added to my account which is presented monthly and payment by credit card automatically...
no on site folk involved.
im sure the pump has the usual instructions and, in fairness, there are two or three different connection types in use in the UK....clamp, claw etc....but users manage.
add in the fact that many of these users are fitting adaptors to allow continental pump connection (3 covers most of europe) and you have a fairly experienced bunch of folk who are totally familiar and comfortable with all aspects of LPG pump filling...
and in the Red Corner we have a club member who has probably never seen one in tne flesh, let alone actually used one, Heaven forbid.
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ISTR that JVB66 was quite exercised over a thread on Safefill bottles back last year some time. I don't know whether his position is due to brand loyalty to Calor or an adverse experience with LPG in the past.
AS for BB's post, didn't Countrywide go into Administration and get taken over by FloGas?
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If they were ever installed on CC sites, I think a different sort of filling regime would be required than at a filling station. For one thing there are kids on a caravan site. Yes I know they wouldn't be able to start dispensing gas, but it's not the sort of thing you would want them fiddling with. Therefore I think the pump would have to be in a locked enclosure. So at the very minimum a key would have to be obtained. This would give the warden a chance to ask the person filling if they were familiar with the procedure, or would they like assistance.
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Why? On a normal filling stations there is a sign to say only to be used by over 16's (I think) no need for lock and key, the one I have seen on a site was not locked, the EHU bollards are not locked and more of a chance to electrocute yourself there?
I guess as I said up thread there would not be a link to the office like in a petrol station so there would need to be some form of interaction with the warder to use the facility and to pay the correct amount so how that is controlled I am not sure, maybe a padlock or a key to turn it on when needed?
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I am not bothered about any of the the unquailfied comments about lpg being dispensed from remote tank by the general public,, but have quoted from what is, is seems the regulations pertaining to such instalations, ,and would be interested to know from those who seem to use these pumps how the companies involved get round or ignore them,
It actually states that Lpg is not allowed to be dispensed from unmanned petrol stations (Asda?)
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CY, yes, they were, but my local pump remained (some closed) and my account is still live as i dont think the trading name for the LPG side was affected...i stand to be corrected, but my note told me i could still operate my acct so thats where we are regarding my local pump.
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When I fill with LPG at a filling station there is someone in the kiosk. I would imagine if kids started messing with the pumps they would object. On a site the pump might be 100 metres or more from reception so not as easy to do. As I said they would not be able to dispense gas, so the risk was more to the equipment than the kids. You don't really want the business end left lying about on the floor, buttons being pressed etc. If your going to get a key to turn it on, you might as well get one to open the cage round the pump.
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Flogas issue a "smart? key" for use on their pumps with your vehicle registration, and payment is taken via your account ,if on one of their own company grounds
Pioneer caravans have a flogas pump on their fuel station but it is monitored by their staff
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