Alarming problem

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  • JVB66
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    edited November 2019 #62

    Oh you of little it seems, knowledge of how security is now so tight  anywhere that could be a "target" ,we visited my Grandfathers grave while at Sandringham,while we were talking to the verger of St Marys we had a visit by two of the fully armed police officers (both had rapid fire  guns with loaded "cassettes"?) and pistols in holsters) and they said apart from the plain clothes officers all the uniformed police were from the armend tactical response unit based on the estate,and any call to the police  from any  tenants they were the response  

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited November 2019 #63

    Now you know, Rocky. You don’t have the knowledge but the police are happy to tell all. 😂😂😂

  • JVB66
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    edited November 2019 #64

    It pays to talkwink

  • JVB66
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    edited November 2019 #65

    So they have not had any "problems" with the neighbours?surprised

  • MikeyA
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    edited November 2019 #66

    A few years ago when Wills and Kate were living at Anmer Hall full time (which is adjacent to St Mary's church), we were in the church graveyard and got talking to the gardener. At first he was reluctant to answer any questions but he did say we were at that moment being watched by armed police. As we left the graveyard we could see two armed police in camouflage gear hiding in the bushes. They did not return our waves!. After leaving on our cycles we were passed a couple of times by a Range Rover ( probably Special Branch) obviously checking us out -  perhaps they saw a married couple in their 60s as potential terrorists.

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited November 2019 #67

    You’d better ask them, JV.

  • JVB66
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    edited November 2019 #68

    There are "patrols"surprised and "people" every where even more when HM is in residence, they even "visit" all the estate social clubs and there are several ,as OH and i are members wink

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited November 2019 #69

    So it seems🤷🏻‍♂️. Then again I’m not privy to the inner sanctum of the guild of Wardens either☹️. I’m not too upset I’m happy to add. I’d not like to be anywhere where there’s a chance of a tenant Seeing me with a loaded wood chipper and me ending up staring down the barrel of a Glock👎🏻😕

  • JVB66
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    edited November 2019 #70

    I thought you knew with your answer,? and the "long access road?"the entrance is off the main road

  • JVB66
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    edited November 2019 #71

    Non members are welcome at both clubs sites but only the ccc takes tentswink

  • obbernockle
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    edited November 2019 #72

    Just browsing through and read this thread. There are some very  detailed statements like this one about travellers family members. What does that mean? How does anyone know they paid cash and left early, and what is wrong with cash, and what is wrong with leaving early? What is this silliness about armed police? This has surely got to be a poor joke? No wonder this forum is so quiet. 

  • JVB66
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    edited November 2019 #73

    If only it was a Fairy tale and it is no joke,as some do tend to ask staff rather than complain after the event without asking questions "it pays to talk" and if more did it could save a lot of "worry" that some seem to 

  • hastghyll
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    edited November 2019 #74

    As a retired police officer I would not be at all surprised to see armed officers attend a non firearms incident. I don't know the figures for Norfolk constabulary but in my area Sussex have less officers today than when I joined in the 80's, despite the population having increased about 25% since.

    Chief Constables cannot afford to have officers sitting around twiddling their thumbs waiting for a thankfully not too common firearms job to come in. I expect there is a requirement to have a firearms team based around Sandringham so they will be deployed as necessary.

  • JVB66
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    edited November 2019 #75

    Ps i think you need to read the rest of the posts refering to this before jumping inwink

  • obbernockle
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    edited November 2019 #76

    I asked questions but you answered none. Try to be objective.

    Tell me what is a  "travellers family members" Explain what it means. (for example We are members and we travel - we call it touring.

    How does anyone know they paid cash. Are you saying the warden told you that? I doubt it but why is it worthy of note?

    They left early. Who told you and what is the relevance?

    What is wrong with cash?

    Do you think armed police would be interested in a dumped TV?

     

  • JVB66
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    edited November 2019 #77

    Read the postsundecided before trying to disect it before that the answers are all theresurprised

  • obbernockle
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    edited November 2019 #78

    No worries. I think I was being a bit unfair to ask you what you meant. I'm not trying to be rude but it would help everyone if there could be a bit of objectivity and a bit less pointless snobbishness and prejudice.

     

     

     

  • JVB66
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    edited November 2019 #79

    Oh dear ,life happenswink

  • Heethers
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    edited November 2019 #80

    It was my post, l thought it was reasonable to let members know what happened when we took a weeks break at bridlington one of our favourite sites, it didn't spoil our holiday as the said travellers didn't impact on ourselves. But for those that left and those that moved l felt sorry for them, some said they are travellers as they tour all year, don't think you has all year travellers leave large screen televisions in Sandringhams woods or soiled nappies l could go on. l am sorry but if we except them pitching up on our sites then its maybe time for me to sell the newly acquired motorhome and get back on a plane to the costas, not that l want too. Them in this club that think l am being discriminating against them, l challenge them to have them camp up near themselves or even worse set up camp near where you live l think you would soon change your tune. l now fear this post will be Deleted User hope not

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  • Tinwheeler
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    edited November 2019 #82

    Heethers, whilst not disputing your findings or feelings, I think we have to view the situation from a practical point of view. 

    What are Wardens supposed to do when a card carrying member arrives on site? We members are all treated equally and, unless one of us is a perpetual rule breaker or has been banned from he club, there is nothing wardens can do. 

    Even if someone then proceeds to trash the site, how are one or two wardens supposed to evict them? How many of us would line up with the wardens and help with a physical eviction?

    It’s all very well calling for the club to do ‘something’ but let’s have a few constructive ideas. 

  • Rufs
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    edited November 2019 #83

    i think we have been round this loop within other postings and the practical suggestions you refer to would undoubtedly lead to an increase in pitch fees:- e.g.

    commercial site i use quite often in Dorset

    reception staff do just that reception which involves checking people in and dealing with new bookings, and as a centre for complaints if necessary

    during season 2 wardens riding around on a 4x4 truck doing a variety of jobs, directing you to your pitch, ensuring you pitch up correctly, raking over pitches immediately they become vacant, and generally ensuring the site is running smoothly, there is a 24 hour call out facility for wardens, i think there are 4 in total.

    outside contractors clean all public spaces

    gardeners make sure all public spaces are neat and tidy, some of these people also double up as security during out of hours. Some of them are big boys

    super market staff

    leisure centre staff....i think at club site Hill Head wardens are swimming pool attendants, i was told not life guards

    all this is brilliant but you wont get a pitch under £50 per night during peak season, out of season in line with some club sites. Yes this site is family owned and some of the staff are family but the overheads must be very high in staff costs compared to club sites.

    I have to say when i used club sites i never once encountered any problems.

  • JVB66
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    edited November 2019 #84

    If the travelling community want to "pitch up" any where in this country, there is not much any site or organisation can do without going "due process" to get them evicted,undecided

  • JVB66
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    edited November 2019 #85

    Interesting what you say about the swimming pool attendants? at Hillhead ,as there are dedicated staff employed at Seacroft for the swimming pool,as there are to run the other facilities which i think is the same at Hillhead including the shop

  • Rufs
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    edited November 2019 #86

    quite possible now, was a few years since i visited Hill Head and wardens then were pool attendants, not life guards so apparently they had had some basic training but did not qualify as life guardslaughing

  • RowenaBCAMC
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    edited November 2019 #87

    Hi everyone,

    As an inclusive organisation, and bearing in mind the law on these matters, the Club do not discriminate against any particular individuals or groups and membership is open to all. With the size of membership that we enjoy, which helps fund the facilities everyone benefits from, diversity across our membership is inevitable.

    Please note that any unwelcome behaviour from members or guests is always handled appropriately and where necessary, suitable follow up action is taken. 

    I will close discussion as this has been well debated and there have been a few reports to the Club about posts in the topic but thank you for your contributions.