Dogs and Touring
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As do most, and we have found that a "word"with owners of dogs causing stress to the dog , or others, is usually met by an apology as most have not realised what stress their dog has been in or caused,but it seems as is quite common these days that "it is not for me to do anything about it" but then complain to whoever they think will "listen "except those that can possibly help
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I have no cause to disbelieve your comments. Luckily not something we ever encountered. However, every example you quote is OWNER not dog related. The club asks that you don't leave a dog unattended in a van, can't quote chapter and verse.
Did you raise your concerns, with the warden especially in the case of the dog left alone? Or the owners at the time?
We look after our grand dog, but I wouldn't call myself a dog lover, but I'm happy if I consider the dog is under proper control.
I don't recall poo or peeing issues myself on site, but I accept it can happen.
Unfortunately dogs and other's children can be issues 😉 and it's not restricted to sites.
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Some facts would be useful.
What proportion of visitors to Club sites bring dogs with them? And how many dogs in total do they bring?
And if those figures could be broken down to individual sites rather than an overall figure for tne whole network that would be even more helpful and might even tempt me be back as a Club site customer.
But the Club and its wardens are very shy of releasing these figures so I stay away.
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There is no specific ban on leaving dogs unattended Bakers. The advice reads simply as advice in that regard. The advice requests that you keep your dog with you 'where possible' and that is all.
discourage excessive barking and anti-social
behaviour so everyone can enjoy the site.
Dogs can become anxious when lonely or
uncomfortable. To minimise this, make sure
they have somewhere cool to relax, with
good ventilation and access to an ample
supply of drinking water if you do have to
leave them for short times.
Where possible, please keep your dog with
you, especially on hot days. A quick build-up
of temperatures in cars, awnings, outfits or
tents can be fatal to animals0 -
Lightening the mood a little, and responding to this sentence in Rowena's opening post -
This discussion can include anything from pictures of your dog/dogs enjoying their holidays
A photo of Ronnie - not on on holiday but enjoying checking the stock with our son. Every day's a holiday here!
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In the past (before on line bookigs)it was recorded on site booking forms whether a member had dogs in their party, and i think it is now being looked at again if a conversation I had with egh last year,
Not that by not knowing if sites "popularity " with dog owners would keep me away,
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I don’t understand why folks are so exercised about managing the numbers. The booking system could easily be adapted to accommodate dog numbers, thereafter it’s simply a case of implementing whatever is the site policy be that an overall numbers ceiling at any given time, percentage of units with dogs or combination of both. You could add some charges into that for good measure, a financial incentive always helps. It’s not a perfect solution, but it moves us from a completely uncontrolled situation to a system where dog numbers can be managed. As I’ve said quite a few times now, this isn’t rocket science, many sites operate such a system without problems.
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And if those figures could be broken down to individual sites rather than an overall figure for tne whole network that would be even more helpful and might even tempt me be back as a Club site customer.
Really? Do you seek out sites that don't allow dogs or that charge? I know that Morris Leisure have a two dog limit but I rarely find those with more than 2 dogs to cause any problems.
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I don’t understand why folks are so exercised about managing the numbers.
You seem pretty exercised
The booking system could easily be adapted to accommodate dog numbers, thereafter it’s simply a case of implementing whatever is the site policy be that an overall numbers ceiling at any given time, percentage of units with dogs or combination of both.
Given the high percentage of dog owners on CC sites I would very much doubt the likelihood of such a policy.
many sites operate such a system without problems.
Can't say that I was aware of that in UK at any rate. Don't recall being asked if I have a dog when making a booking on any site
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SB...."be that an overall numbers ceiling at any given time,"
can you give the name of one site that operates this type of policy ? as you seem to imply.
"As I’ve said quite a few times now, this isn’t rocket science, many sites operate such a system without problems."
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I wouldn’t have any objection if Club monitored how many dogs are on site, and do find it a bit strange that they don’t now, given that it’s usually good practice to know what is living on pitches should there be an emergency of any kind. But it’s going to be a long list given we have seen dogs, cats, parrots, budgies, tortoises, ferrets, guinea pigs, hamsters and fish down the years. Noisiest none human thing we ever encountered was a parrot, but it didn’t spoil our holiday, in fact quite the opposite. Statistics are very useful, but then how the statistics are used becomes the issue.
A blanket ban, based on anecdotal posts on here, certainly isn’t the way forward, and the Club is wise enough to know that it would be hit financially if it tried one. But a reasonable way forward would be to police transgressors (of any kind, speeding, dog fouling, anti social behaviour of any kind) and implement a timed ban on visits to reinforce the message. And who would police it? Well, the Wardens are usually busy, and I am not sure just how much clout they have to get someone off site ASAP. The uniform is a dead give away as well. Area Managers would be my choice, much like I had to do when I ran a large group of leisure sites. If somewhere is thought to have an problem, issue extra advice, sit back and patrol, then come down hard on any problem found. It won’t be pleasant for anyone concerned, but it would get the message out there. It won’t affect those who are well behaved and thoughtful, but whether it would appease those who really want a blanket ban I don’t know.
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We’ve already established through your own findings, SB, that it’s behaviour, not numbers, which is the cause of any perceived problems.
However, if we go along with your thoughts and hypothetically accept a restriction in numbers is the way forward, the only way to do it is to limit the number per pitch. If you think through your idea of number per site, you’ll realise it’s unworkable. Should we perhaps be able to book a with awning plus dogs pitch, with awning no dogs, no awning plus dogs, no awning and no dogs pitch? Frankly, it’s becoming farcical.
Come up with a firm plan and I’ll happily give it serious consideration but, so far, you’ve not produced anything constructive other than evidence that it’s behaviour rather than numbers which causes issues. If you doubt me, go back and read your posts of last night.
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Pay attention, there’s an example listed above.
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Indeed generally the number of dogs on a particular pitch is not a problem. The more dogs somebody travels with the more important it is to them to keep an 'orderly' pack I suspect. A site quota sounds ridiculous to me.
I will pick a figure out of the air. Lets say that 40% travel with a dog. This might put off some non dog owners but not many I suspect. Charging £10 a dog would reduce numbers and probably site occupancy. I would happily support a 50p charge but that would not greatly impinge on numbers I suspect.
Of all the changes that a few would like I think that a quota on dogs is close to being least likely to be introduced in my lifetime
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You really do have a mental block on this issue.
Yes, it’s about behaviour.... reduce the number of irresponsible owners....probability is that incidence of irresponsible behaviour will also reduce!
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Look, SB, I’ve made every effort to have a sensible discussion with you but you keep reverting to type with rude comments.
Tell me how you propose to reduce irresponsible owners. They need to be educated or removed from the sites. There is no other way.
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You’ve not missed it, Easy. No firm figure has been forthcoming.
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Now you’re conflating two separate issues. I haven’t mentioned any figure concerning fees, but others have. In fact I’ve said I don’t feel strongly about charging. The example given above is Morris Leisure who operate a number of UK sites. I have come across a few others in the UK and continental Europe but I don’t carry around a list in my pocket. I’m certainly not going to sit here and Google examples for you. You can choose to believe me or not. It really matters not to this debate.
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What you are suggesting is very discriminatory Bill. A decent society doesn’t penalise those that others find a nuisance, or that they don’t like for whatever reason, but tries to draw out and catch those who are actual offenders, while educating everyone?
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I’m not sure who you’re addressing, SB, but Easy was referring to numbers.
Actually, I think it’s pointless continuing this.
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TW..... Actually, I think it’s pointless continuing this.
Agreed.
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Sounds like you’ve been on one of those public sector “‘let’s all celebrate equality & diversity” courses.
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must have missed it and cant be bothered searching, but i have not been to a site where they actually limit the number of dogs per site, per pitch yes, and as explained by i think TW to limit the number of dogs per site would be very difficult to enforce. On the aspect of charging, i did say further back that i had paid £10 per night quite recently and was happy to do so, however, i think if the club introduced such a high levy then they would loose many members, and personally i dont see why a levy should be introduced, yes the club provide dog exercising areas on many sites which are a cost, but we will be advocating making an additional charge for children on sites that have play areas for children next, and from what i have seen and experienced from my own, children can be just as unruly as dogs if left unsupervised.
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